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What's the marriage rate among black people? Serious question. It used to be higher than whites.l pre-1960's. The divorce rates among blacks were considerably lower as well. I know that's not the case anymore, but it seems almost like a rarity to meet a married black couple, or even a non-state "licensed" nuclear family where the father is involved in the lives of the mother and his child/ren, under the age of 40 in BR.

Most will blame LBJ and the Great Society, but that's really only part of the problem. People dont just think "hey I have a welfare program so I dont need marriage" in a literal sense.

Blacks stuck together more before the 1970s because racism in education, housing etc meant that in order to survive you had to support each other. This also ties in with Black Universities and businesses as well.

Now I'm not saying Blacks should have left it all behind, simply that interdependence played a role in staying together.

Imagine if you and 2 family members you have bad relationships with were stuck on island with few resources not knowing when help would arrive. Youd have to work together and put aside your differences to live on.

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Posted by Ace Midnight

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Posted on 6/22/19 at 10:15 am to volod

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Most will blame LBJ and the Great Society, but that's really only part of the problem.

Meh. It's a big part of the problem. Changing moral values hit the country, overall, pretty hard and declining subjective valuation of marriage was certainly part of that.

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People dont just think "hey I have a welfare program so I dont need marriage" in a literal sense.

I don't disagree. It wasn't like a light switch, but it didn't take very long to figure out how to turn on various money spigots. Anything you subsidize will result in more of it. That's an economic fact of life.

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Blacks stuck together more before the 1970s

Well, I've said this on this board many times - American blacks have developed survival instincts from their relatively unique combination of experiences, slavery, Jim Crow, the Civil Rights movement, and those instincts served them relatively well until the 1970s. This (not derogating, this seems to be a popular term, recognizing a very real thing) "tribalism" should be discarded, in my opinion, because we can either have 1 American society (with various subcomponents) or we can remain mired in a however officially/unofficially segregated past.

We can't do both. Giving a shite about the color of a person's skin is something we're going to have to get past. Period.

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Posted by ManBearTiger

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Posted on 6/22/19 at 11:24 am to volod

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Most will blame LBJ and the Great Society, but that's really only part of the problem. People dont just think "hey I have a welfare program so I dont need marriage" in a literal sense.

Blacks stuck together more before the 1970s because racism in education, housing etc meant that in order to survive you had to support each other. This also ties in with Black Universities and businesses as well.

Now I'm not saying Blacks should have left it all behind, simply that interdependence played a role in staying together.

Imagine if you and 2 family members you have bad relationships with were stuck on island with few resources not knowing when help would arrive. Youd have to work together and put aside your differences to live on.

Huh

It's almost as if segregation is a natural and positive tendency

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