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re: Black Mirror S5 - In Game Thread (SPOILERS)
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:39 am to Baloo
Posted on 6/11/19 at 7:39 am to Baloo
Baloo, I usually agree with everything you say but I couldn't disagree more with your take on Vipers.
IMO, this is wholly 100% false. I think now more than at any time I've been alive this is actually the opposite. I'm reminded of the scene in Grease when danny agrees to drive other dude's car in the race, they excitedly hug for like one second then push each other away and act cool because showing any type of affection for a dude must be gay. I wasn't alive in the 50s but I imagine that that wasn't THAT uncommon back then. Fast forward to today. Our society has invented new phrases like "bromance" and bro hugs. Guys have really close guy friends, do things in a 1 on 1 setting, give hugs, etc all the time. Popular recent movie gave mileage to the phrase "I love you man". In 2019 I just don't think that there is any stigma at all about having a best friend and being close or chummy with them.
I don't necessarily see this as something to do just wiht these 2 protagonists, I see this as something that happens to literally everyone in their life in taht you eventually grow apart from people as you do your own things. When the 2 dudes were younger they were staying up late, hanging out, playing video games, all seemed well with their friendship. When we fast forward to adult-hood (I assume this is what you're referring to specifically) it's apparent they've lost touch but they are clearly at very different points in their lives. One is married and hosting backyard bbqs with other married friends while the other is still a swingin bachelor out on the town most nights. I don't think that "lack of communication" is really some big issue with them, since like I mentioned this is a story as old as time. Now you can say that that in itself is an issue with communication, but I don't think it's specific or mind blowing to this particular case at hand or to Black Mirror.
To be honest I think that would be a pretty normal human reaction if I was in a VR game and another dude tried to frick me.
That sounds nice but what is the outcome exactly? One dude is virtually cheating on his wife with a man. The wife gets to frick a random stranger (IRL!) once a year to provide some kind, ANY kind of spice to their marriage. And the 3rd party likely waits 364 days out of his year simply to have virtual relations with his best friend, but it's not gay because he's pretending to be female. I mean sure everyone seems ot get somethign they desired but does all that seem normal or ok? If communication is the end all be all here how about talking ot a therapist? "Hey doc, I transport myself into a woman's body to get virtually railed by a buff dude being controlled by my best friend" "Hey doc, I virutally turn into a dude and have virtual sxe with a woman that isn't my wife but is being controlled by my best friend" "Hey doc, my marriage is boring and losing passion so I get a hall pass to have an affair once a year on my husband's birthday". I mean all of these issues should be addressed by proessional help.
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The problem is that straight men do not have a toolkit in our daily lives to communicate platonic love towards each other.
IMO, this is wholly 100% false. I think now more than at any time I've been alive this is actually the opposite. I'm reminded of the scene in Grease when danny agrees to drive other dude's car in the race, they excitedly hug for like one second then push each other away and act cool because showing any type of affection for a dude must be gay. I wasn't alive in the 50s but I imagine that that wasn't THAT uncommon back then. Fast forward to today. Our society has invented new phrases like "bromance" and bro hugs. Guys have really close guy friends, do things in a 1 on 1 setting, give hugs, etc all the time. Popular recent movie gave mileage to the phrase "I love you man". In 2019 I just don't think that there is any stigma at all about having a best friend and being close or chummy with them.
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They lack the ability to communicate their love for one another until the game comes along,
I don't necessarily see this as something to do just wiht these 2 protagonists, I see this as something that happens to literally everyone in their life in taht you eventually grow apart from people as you do your own things. When the 2 dudes were younger they were staying up late, hanging out, playing video games, all seemed well with their friendship. When we fast forward to adult-hood (I assume this is what you're referring to specifically) it's apparent they've lost touch but they are clearly at very different points in their lives. One is married and hosting backyard bbqs with other married friends while the other is still a swingin bachelor out on the town most nights. I don't think that "lack of communication" is really some big issue with them, since like I mentioned this is a story as old as time. Now you can say that that in itself is an issue with communication, but I don't think it's specific or mind blowing to this particular case at hand or to Black Mirror.
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we have the problem of him not communicating with his partner, keeping it a secret, and then cutting off the game without speaking about it
To be honest I think that would be a pretty normal human reaction if I was in a VR game and another dude tried to frick me.
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This conflict is solved by simply talking about it and coming with a workaround. Everyone can voice what they desire or aren't getting, and they make a solution together. I liked that. Talk to people. be honest.
That sounds nice but what is the outcome exactly? One dude is virtually cheating on his wife with a man. The wife gets to frick a random stranger (IRL!) once a year to provide some kind, ANY kind of spice to their marriage. And the 3rd party likely waits 364 days out of his year simply to have virtual relations with his best friend, but it's not gay because he's pretending to be female. I mean sure everyone seems ot get somethign they desired but does all that seem normal or ok? If communication is the end all be all here how about talking ot a therapist? "Hey doc, I transport myself into a woman's body to get virtually railed by a buff dude being controlled by my best friend" "Hey doc, I virutally turn into a dude and have virtual sxe with a woman that isn't my wife but is being controlled by my best friend" "Hey doc, my marriage is boring and losing passion so I get a hall pass to have an affair once a year on my husband's birthday". I mean all of these issues should be addressed by proessional help.
Posted on 6/11/19 at 9:12 am to WG_Dawg
Maybe it’s more commentary on black culture? It still has a pretty big stigma compared to other races about being gay or appearing to be gay.
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