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re: I want to talk about the rebel flag
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:59 am to HuskyPanda
Posted on 5/13/19 at 6:59 am to HuskyPanda
In the 60’s some of it was racism and some of it was flown by people like my grandfather who’s father fought in the war. Now the flag he flew over my great grandfather’s grave on his birthday was a battle flag from his unit which was different than the stars and bars.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:02 am to HuskyPanda
Some dude in Italy told me “the South will rose again!”
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:04 am to HuskyPanda
I'm not going to read through 12 pages, but I will just say that even with being a descendant of people who fought under the flag, I personally feel no connection to the flag. I feel like it belongs in museums and history books, not on government grounds.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 7:05 am
Posted on 5/13/19 at 7:04 am to HuskyPanda
“Upper” class whites know better than to sport that flag and likely have evolved to a point that they have no major issues with blacks.
I think the media and left overplay the flag as a dog whistle for all whites to rally. It just doesn’t work that way and but for a few examples of white trash rebel flag toting, it wouldn’t be an issue.
Ironically, I attended a middle school with the rebel mascot and flag. School was roughly 50/50 perhaps 60/40 white to black. We had a huge rebel flag in our gym. We attended P.E. everyday and played team sports together, all under that flag. None of us was concerned with that flag as a symbol at that time. That flag didn’t cause me to hate my black brothers on the basketball team. Our parents attended games and no one even thought to complain.
A lot of this debate and extremism over monuments and flags is just that - extremism for the political expediency of a party or group. Most folks have sense enough to know that the rebel flag is a flag from a long gone era and the folks I went to school with under that symbol are recalled as fondly today as they were when we were all together.
I think the media and left overplay the flag as a dog whistle for all whites to rally. It just doesn’t work that way and but for a few examples of white trash rebel flag toting, it wouldn’t be an issue.
Ironically, I attended a middle school with the rebel mascot and flag. School was roughly 50/50 perhaps 60/40 white to black. We had a huge rebel flag in our gym. We attended P.E. everyday and played team sports together, all under that flag. None of us was concerned with that flag as a symbol at that time. That flag didn’t cause me to hate my black brothers on the basketball team. Our parents attended games and no one even thought to complain.
A lot of this debate and extremism over monuments and flags is just that - extremism for the political expediency of a party or group. Most folks have sense enough to know that the rebel flag is a flag from a long gone era and the folks I went to school with under that symbol are recalled as fondly today as they were when we were all together.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:15 am to HuskyPanda
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Why do upper class whites not wave the rebel flag bot low income white do?
Ignorance. Upper and upper middle class whites have come to realize the connotations of the flag and what it represents to many people, and are mostly empathetic to that. They also just don't want to deal with the backlash that would come with flying it on their property. I know many that still support the flag. They've just learned to hide that support from public view.
Poor whites are pretty ignorant. It's one reason why they're poor. Some of that comes with just rarely getting out of their bubble and meeting people from different walks of life, so they never develop the empathy of what other people go through.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 9:46 am to HuskyPanda
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But why is it that I see the flag waving in poorer, or lower income areas but never in higher income areas?
Do upper middle class, or upper class whites not share the same sentiment about the flag and it's history? DO they even care?
If you look at the history of slavery in the South, it only helped the rich and hurt the poor. Free labor meant the poor whites had no leverage. However, the rich knew this and had an active propaganda machine telling the poor that slavery helped them. I think it carries over to today.
In addition, people tend to look for someone to blame for their own faults. Rich people don't need to play the blame game as much but poor whites try and find someone to blame and guess who gets the blame? Much like many poor black people blame their situation on "the man" whether it's justified or not (I do believe institutional racism still exists so I'm not claiming "the man" isn't a problem, just not the sole cause).
The flag is seen as a symbol of a romanticized time when all whites had a better life, even though it's just not true.
The flag doesn't really bother me all that much but I just don't see the point in flying it at this time, especially if the person is solely using the "muh heritage" argument. My great-great grandfather was high up in the Washington Artillery in the Civil War and started the Confederate museum in New Orleans. I'm definitely not embarrassed to be a relative of his, even if I don't agree with his views. However, I'm not going to deify him either, because he was on the side of history.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:58 am to HuskyPanda
Why don’t folks from Southern states (especially the southern states who participated) get just as excited about the Revolutionary War as they do the Civil?
1) It was a better cause.
2) They actually won.
After researching my ancestry, I was a lot more excited to find that I had ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary. Still very interested in my ancestors who fought in the Civil.
1) It was a better cause.
2) They actually won.
After researching my ancestry, I was a lot more excited to find that I had ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary. Still very interested in my ancestors who fought in the Civil.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:27 pm to HuskyPanda
Considering making a spin-off thread about the Texas flag. It makes me want to vomit seeing it every 5 feet here. But hey, I'm the transplant I guess.
Posted on 5/13/19 at 4:17 pm to HuskyPanda
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:29 pm to HuskyPanda
This issue isn't rocket science. People in the South have a unique culture and identity. The Confederate flag is a historical representation of the South and it looks cool. Wala. So depending on the individual context, the flag can be displayed for any number of reasons. Many (most) of which have nothing to do with supporting slavery. But some people prefer obtuse black and white (pun intended) narratives.
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