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I'm not saying that at all, and I think you know that I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything about capability at all, actually. I'm talking about responsibility based on consequences. Since women bear the most consequences in terms of pregnancy, they need to be even more careful because they will have to assume responsibility over their child regardless of what the "father" does.

Fair enough. Since we have equal responsibility (it takes two to tango, so to speak) but unequal consequences, it seems that your conclusion is that the consequences be even more increased on the side of the woman. That is, the woman should be forced to carry a child to term and give birth.

I'd argue that this is utterly unfair. I'd be fine with outlawing abortion if men were charged 50% of the greater of (1) the woman's salary for one year or (2) the average salary in the town of residence of the woman. Men are responsible for 50% of the genetic material needed to create a child, so what we really need to do is increase their liability so that men will have similar (though not equal) consequences for a woman getting pregnant. Fair?

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Posted by FooManChoo

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Posted on 4/3/19 at 5:03 pm to BamaNixon

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Fair enough. Since we have equal responsibility (it takes two to tango, so to speak) but unequal consequences, it seems that your conclusion is that the consequences be even more increased on the side of the woman. That is, the woman should be forced to carry a child to term and give birth.

That would be the result of not punishing the children for the actions of their parents, yes.

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I'd argue that this is utterly unfair.

It's not about fairness. It's about biology (who carries the baby) and morality (we shouldn't kill children because they are unwanted).

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I'd be fine with outlawing abortion if men were charged 50% of the greater of (1) the woman's salary for one year or (2) the average salary in the town of residence of the woman.

Seems arbitrary.

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Men are responsible for 50% of the genetic material needed to create a child, so what we really need to do is increase their liability so that men will have similar (though not equal) consequences for a woman getting pregnant. Fair?

I'm in favor of "punishing" men who refuse to marry the women they knock up (doing so would take responsibility for helping both the woman and the child) through child support laws, but those already exist. Perhaps those laws need to be adjusted, but I haven't researched what they are today so I can't comment on that yet.

At this time, I'm mostly concerned with the life of the child. We can talk about the other related issues separately once we agree that children shouldn't be killed for the sake of convenience.

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