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re: NZ to ban all assault arms, 'military-style semi-automatic weapons' immediately

Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:04 pm to
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37685 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:04 pm to
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However I much prefer my chances of avoiding someone with a knife than a semi automatic weapon.


when someone rushes you with a knife what are you gonna do?

See here in the US we get to actually defend ourselves against deadly threats
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2318 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:06 pm to
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See here in the US we get to actually defend ourselves against deadly threats


Lol and look at your murder rate compared to Australia’s
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2318 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:08 pm to
Our terrorist attack has a man with a shot gun who kills 2 people. In America there would be dozens dead. I know what I prefer..
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69499 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:08 pm to
You are making his point, dude.

The murder rate here is higher which justifies gun ownership
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37685 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:09 pm to
you didn’t answer my question.

When someone comes at you with a knife to carve you up what are you gonna do about it?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35584 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:09 pm to
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Lol and look at your murder rate compared to Australia’s
Just compared stats. You guys do well in most categories but you sure like the rape.

No point. Just thought it was an odd outlier.
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2318 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:10 pm to
If someone comes at me with a knife I can run? What can I do if it’s a gun you clown
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35584 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:12 pm to
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If someone comes at me with a knife I can run? What can I do if it’s a gun you clown
I think you replied to the wrong person.
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2318 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:13 pm to
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The murder rate here is higher which justifies gun ownership


I’m not saying Americans shouldn’t at all? I’m saying it will work in NZ the exact same way it did here
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5737 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:15 pm to
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Lol and look at your murder rate compared to Australia’s
What's your point? Our knife murder rate is higher than average too. Our murder rate isn't high because of gun liberties, it's high because we have subculture of people who see murder as a hobby.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 11:17 pm
Posted by Aussietigerfan
Sydney, Australia
Member since May 2015
2318 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:16 pm to
You guys get way too defensive over your guns not once did I say Americans shouldn’t own them. If I lived there I would want one too. The point I was making is a country like NZ they done a good thing getting rid of there automatic weapons. There’s no need for them. There’s a reason the Australian guy done it it over there in NZ
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 11:17 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69499 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:16 pm to
Your country’s gun laws in the 90s did absolutely nothing, dude.

1) Australia robbery rates SOARED in the immediate aftermath of the gun buyback

2)firearm suicide and Homicide rates fell at a SLOWER RATE after the gun buyback than before

3) Australia gun ownership has actually been increasing substantially in the past 15 years








Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35584 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:17 pm to
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The point I was making is a country like NZ they done a good thing getting rid of there automatic weapons
Were automatic weapons a problem?
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5737 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:19 pm to
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NZ they done a good thing getting rid of there automatic weapons.
These were already illegal in NZ before the massacre.
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69499 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:19 pm to
The stats clearly show Australian gun control laws were ineffective

I posted graphs in a previous post in this thread

Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35584 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:20 pm to
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Were automatic weapons a problem?
quote:

The stats clearly show Australian gun control laws were ineffective

I posted graphs in a previous post in this thread
Posted by Asharad
Tiamat
Member since Dec 2010
5737 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:25 pm to
The murder rate in Australia is roughly 1 in 100,000.

The murder rate in the US by knife is roughly 1 in 100,000.

Tell me again how guns are the problem in the US? People will murder with the weapon that is most readily available. In our case its guns. However the knife murder rate is higher than many countries total murder rate. This speaks volumes about our population's capacity for murder (a knife is a more difficult murder weapon to use, but we have a knife murder rate greater than many other nations total murder rate.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 11:36 pm
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
37685 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:36 pm to
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If someone comes at me with a knife I can run? What can I do if it’s a gun you clown


You can outrun anyone? And what about your wife and/or kids? You just going to run away?

Can women and the elderly just run away too?

How dare they defend themselves
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35584 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:36 pm to
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it's high because we have subculture of people who see murder as a hobby.
And it's not as widespread as it looks on paper. 2% of counties account for over 50% of murders.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
16740 posts
Posted on 3/21/19 at 11:50 pm to
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I’m just saying it did work here very well.


It really didn't but then again you seem like the type with a shallow education in general.

Australia's Gun Laws: Little Effect



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However I much prefer my chances of avoiding someone with a knife than a semi automatic weapon. (Which has not occurred since our ban following the port Arthur mass shooting in 96’).


This lie again? Do you ever think critically or do you just parrot what you are spoon fed by your leash holders out of habit? You had a mass shooting at Monash University in 2002. You had one last year in Osmington. You've had others. Your bikies conduct regular drive-by shootings at each other. Your laws did nothing, in fact, if you actually looked at the data the only effect of the 1996 laws seemed to be a blunting in the rate of decline of firearms-related homicides. The rate was already declining (a global trend actually) and that rate slowed after 1996 (the US on the other hand continued a very sharp decline).

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