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Not trying to obfuscate, but the commandment reads literally “ Thou shalt not murder” rather than “kill.” Now murder is what took place in New Zealand and should be rightfully condemned by not only either testament but also by secularists. But there are justified killings; self defense, protect others, free the enslaved etc.

Not to further obfuscate, but to build (for argument's sake) on the point of "justified killings"...it's pretty obvious that killing for the sake of promoting Religion is an essential part of Islam. Muhammad Himself, wielded a sword and had blood on His hands, as an example of all-in dutiful Belief and service toward promoting the Faith.

America has employed killing collateral innocents many times in our history; firebombing Dresden and nuking Japan come to mind. And of course, Obama's lethal drone attacks on terror targets, irrespective of their Families being destroyed too.

What has happening in this instance - and pisses people off - is that a single individual (assumedly alone) has taken upon Himself to determine just WHAT particular Ideological/Religious criteria justifies said killing as a means to an end. That is pretty much what Muhammad did, or our former and all POTUS. The Guy laid it out pretty clearly, as I heard Rush read a portion of the very complex and well thought out strategic Manifesto today. Sounded a lot like the Unibomber.

Much of the divisionary tactics that I heard in that Manifesto/Ideological reactionary strategy, will indeed be effective. The Race War stuff reminds me of Manson; though I think Manson was far more on a purely evil power trip, while this Guy is a more complex Ideological/Cultural reflection (Manson always said that He was a creation/reflection of Society) of our *justified* Ideological/Religious struggles, strategies and tactics (killing at the fore).

This stuff is very interesting...at least until our close loved ones are the 'collateral damage'. Then the real point of Jesus' admonitions to turn our cheek and love, in order to escape this particular version (Parallel Universe?) of Reality...weighs heavy as the preferable option.