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re: 737max crashes in Ethiopia. Killing 157
Posted on 3/14/19 at 4:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 3/14/19 at 4:25 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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So I guess they were just rolling the dice hoping another one didn’t crash while they worked on the software update. Shame on them.
I would bet all of this comes down to shitty pilots.
My guess, Boeing points this out off the record or has someone else do it for them. Sure, the software will get Boeing into some trouble. But the software is there to make great pilots better, not to make crappy pilots competent. At some point, crappy pilots just can’t continue to fly top of the line planes.
The fact is it will hurt Boeing’s profits too if they come out and say their planes are actually fine it’s just that crappy pilots have issues, because then fewer airlines can buy them.
But that’s what this is most likely to be. A software issue that a competent (hint: doesn’t have to be top gun quality) pilot would be able to overcome.
A crew with one guy having between 200-400 total hours, is not it.
This post was edited on 3/14/19 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 3/14/19 at 4:32 pm to baldona
There has been a lot of back and forth over whether or not Boeing is partially to blame for not providing proper training materials to prepare pilots for this kind of situation. I thought this article was interesting.
Don't ground the plane, ground the pilot
Don't ground the plane, ground the pilot
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His name is Wally Magathan, and he has worked as an airline pilot, an Air Force pilot and C-5 Galaxy flight instructor, and an instructor in airline L-1011 flight-simulators. I know him through COPA, the organization of pilots and owners of Cirrus’s small single-engine airplanes.
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-Boeing’s design deficiency [JF note: having to add the MCAS, to offset the pitch-up problem] sets up the need for pilot training on how to overcome it.
-Boeing’s failure to highlight the change resulted in no specific MCAS pilot training.
Those two big mistakes, it now appears, likely caused two tragic major catastrophes. Shame on Boeing if the final analysis bears these points out.
The corrective action is simple and within the capabilities of any competent airline captain to execute. Certainly easier than dealing with an engine fire or loss of multiple hydraulic systems.
There is a broad spectrum of abilities in any group of pilots, and without an emphasis training, some of them will be unable to overcome the design deficiency, even if the emergency procedure is simple to carry out. All the lights and buzzers going off will freeze the less capable pilot who has not been trained to drill down to what is going on, and to flip the switch. Training has to be to the lowest level of ability, if you’re operating an airline with any significant number of pilots. They all can't be Sully Sullenbergers.
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To me, from the standpoint of an airline pilot, there was no need to ground the fleet. Just ground each and every 737MAX pilot until he or she has been trained on the MCAS.
After two accidents, require a week in the simulator—for overkill to make sure it penetrates even the dimmest bulbs. But nobody flies again until they have it. In effect that grounds the fleet, but only so long as the training takes. At the same time, regulatory bodies can require Boeing to eliminate the design deficiency so that the training on the MCAS need not be so intense, a process that could take months if not years.
But if I were speaking as a non-flying member of the public, and as a politician who must answer to them, I would say: ground the fleet now. As far as the public is concerned, the industry had its chance and blew it. I would have no confidence in the plane nor the industry until an explanation is found and the design changed. Nor would I buy a ticket on such a plane.
Once the public pressure became too great, the grounding of the fleet was inevitable—but not because the plane is unsafe when flown by a properly trained crew. Boeing will pay a price for this, if the final analysis holds these accidents would not have occurred in a 737 model that had no MCAS.
This post was edited on 3/14/19 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 3/14/19 at 5:49 pm to baldona
Again - these “shitty pilots” somehow manage to keep every other plane from flying face first into the ground.
The problem is the plane. Period.
The problem is the plane. Period.
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