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How The War Party Lost The Middle East
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:16 am
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:16 am
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""Assad must go, Obama says."
So read the headline in The Washington Post, Aug. 18, 2011.
The story quoted President Barack Obama directly:
"The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way... the time has come for President Assad to step aside."
France's Nicolas Sarkozy and Britain's David Cameron signed on to the Obama ultimatum: Assad must go!
Seven years and 500,000 dead Syrians later, it is Obama, Sarkozy, and Cameron who are gone. Assad still rules in Damascus, and the 2,000 Americans in Syria are coming home. Soon, says President Donald Trump.
But we cannot "leave now," insists Sen. Lindsey Graham, or "the Kurds are going to get slaughtered."
Question: Who plunged us into a Syrian civil war, and so managed the intervention that were we to go home after seven years our enemies will be victorious and our allies will "get slaughtered"?
Seventeen years ago, the U.S. invaded Afghanistan to oust the Taliban for granting sanctuary to al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.
U.S. diplomat Zalmay Khalilzad is today negotiating for peace talks with that same Taliban. Yet, according to former CIA director Mike Morell, writing in The Washington Post today, the "remnants of al-Qaeda work closely" with today's Taliban.
It would appear that 17 years of fighting in Afghanistan has left us with these alternatives:
Stay there, and fight a forever war to keep the Taliban out of Kabul,
or withdraw and let the Taliban overrun the place.
Who got us into this debacle?"
""Assad must go, Obama says."
So read the headline in The Washington Post, Aug. 18, 2011.
The story quoted President Barack Obama directly:
"The future of Syria must be determined by its people, but President Bashar al-Assad is standing in their way... the time has come for President Assad to step aside."
France's Nicolas Sarkozy and Britain's David Cameron signed on to the Obama ultimatum: Assad must go!
Seven years and 500,000 dead Syrians later, it is Obama, Sarkozy, and Cameron who are gone. Assad still rules in Damascus, and the 2,000 Americans in Syria are coming home. Soon, says President Donald Trump.
But we cannot "leave now," insists Sen. Lindsey Graham, or "the Kurds are going to get slaughtered."
Question: Who plunged us into a Syrian civil war, and so managed the intervention that were we to go home after seven years our enemies will be victorious and our allies will "get slaughtered"?
Seventeen years ago, the U.S. invaded Afghanistan to oust the Taliban for granting sanctuary to al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.
U.S. diplomat Zalmay Khalilzad is today negotiating for peace talks with that same Taliban. Yet, according to former CIA director Mike Morell, writing in The Washington Post today, the "remnants of al-Qaeda work closely" with today's Taliban.
It would appear that 17 years of fighting in Afghanistan has left us with these alternatives:
Stay there, and fight a forever war to keep the Taliban out of Kabul,
or withdraw and let the Taliban overrun the place.
Who got us into this debacle?"
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:23 am to Boatshoes
Get out now. Frick the warmongering Uniparty.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:24 am to Boatshoes
Obama was an awful president.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:30 am to Boatshoes
Winning is less profitable than maintaining. The MIC wants the maintenance program. Not that hard.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:39 am to Boatshoes
The majority of everything I've read has shown that Syria was a relatively peaceful and prosperous country before the CIA paid rebels to revolt against Assad. Sure, it had some problems, but most of the people were able to live with an acceptable level of religious and personal freedom. The warmongers of the Deep State ruined a beautiful country. It's a shame how many historical sites have been destroyed.
Syria before CIA/Deep State intervention:
Syria after CIA/Deep State intervention:
Syria before CIA/Deep State intervention:
Syria after CIA/Deep State intervention:
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:08 am to Boatshoes
quote:It still amazes me that after all this time, there are still people who believe this fairy tale.
Seventeen years ago, the U.S. invaded Afghanistan to oust the Taliban for granting sanctuary to al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden.
quote:The same people who plunged us into the Middle East in the first place for the purpose of regime change to save a monetary system tied directly to the buying and selling of oil in dollars (because it isn't backed by anything else but air....and unfortunately, the might of our military) and making sure the world remained dependent upon it.
Question: Who plunged us into a Syrian civil war, and so managed the intervention that were we to go home after seven years our enemies will be victorious and our allies will "get slaughtered"?
This is what happens when your money is not sound, you end up policing the world to make sure it uses it as the world's currency.
Surely, there has to be a better way, but the answer becomes even more difficult to come up with when the rich and powerful get richer and more powerful with every war.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:09 am to LSUTigersVCURams
quote:That's what happens when we the people continue to accept hand-picked establishment candidates as our leaders.
Obama was an awful president.
I don't know about you, but I've had enough.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 9:53 am to TX Tiger
You would think the goatherders would have had enough of it too, they have been getting massacred for ages, first by the Red Army and then by us, and they have to be running low on young men some time.
In all that time their casualties must be horrific, especially vs the Russians in Afghanistan
In all that time their casualties must be horrific, especially vs the Russians in Afghanistan
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 9:57 am
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:31 pm to antibarner
quote:That's why they must be depicted by propaganda as sub-humans, so that otherwise compassionate and caring human beings won't give their genocide a second thought.
You would think the goatherders would have had enough of it too,
Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:37 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
That's why they must be depicted by propaganda as sub-humans, so that otherwise compassionate and caring human beings won't give their genocide a second thought
Propaganda -information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
Calling for genocide, what a piece of shite
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:50 pm to James1960
quote:I agree. Those calling for genocide in the Middle East are pieces of shite. Those carrying out those orders (Bush, Obama, Trump) are equal pieces of shite.
Calling for genocide, what a piece of shite
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:07 pm to TX Tiger
Sorry I totally misread your post
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:11 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:
The majority of everything I've read has shown that Syria was a relatively peaceful and prosperous country before the CIA paid rebels to revolt against Assad. Sure, it had s
Interesting, you could easily replace Syria with Libya in your post and it would be equally true.....hmmmm, what’s really going on here? Y’all know.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:18 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:
The majority of everything I've read has shown that Syria was a relatively peaceful and prosperous country before the CIA paid rebels to revolt against Assad.
They were dealing with a drought that had hurt the rurlal economy. But tourism was up, and the urban economy was in decent shape. It has been a decade of growth and rising living standards.
Then the war happened.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:24 pm to Boatshoes
quote:
In Monday's editorial celebrating major figures of foreign policy in the past half-century, The New York Times wrote,
"As these leaders pass from the scene, it will be left to a new generation to find a way forward from the wreckage Mr. Trump has already created."
Correction:
Make that "the wreckage Mr. Trump inherited."
Exactly what wreckage has Mr. Trump created? G...T...F...O of the Middle East!!!
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:41 pm to Boatshoes
Russia has kept him in power.
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