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re: Do you believe in the Fermi Paradox: The Great Filter?

Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:34 pm to
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:34 pm to
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Dark forest theory is already discredited.


By whom?

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There are numerous examples of symbiosis in nature. In fact evolution trends to niche specialization and utilization of resources in ways that avoid competition.


You are speaking of life forms that have evolved in the same environment, on the same planet, not species competing to stay alive across galaxies. Symbiotic relationships can't evolve over such vast differences.

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I am unaware of any species that specialize or even generally use a tactic of annihilating other species as self defense. This seems extremely unlikely as this strategy seems to maximize potential conflict, which makes 0 sense from a logical or evolutionary standpoint.


You mean like the theory that homo sapiens wiped out Neanderthal? (And I know this theory is hotly contested, but the fact that it was accepted for so long kind of puts to bed the notion that "species don't annihilate other species")


And I don't necessarily buy into the Dark Forest theory - most likely, it is wrong - but I do find it fascinating from a thought experiment standpoint.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:59 pm to
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You mean like the theory that homo sapiens wiped out Neanderthal? (And I know this theory is hotly contested, but the fact that it was accepted for so long kind of puts to bed the notion that "species don't annihilate other species")




...They used to accept the fact that the earth was the center of the universe too. The fact that it was accepted for so long kind of means that we can put to bed the notion "that the earth isn't the center of the universe".

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You are speaking of life forms that have evolved in the same environment, on the same planet, not species competing to stay alive across galaxies. Symbiotic relationships can't evolve over such vast differences.



How does this do anything to support a theory that they must be seeking to annihilate anything else they encounter.


That just doesn't make sense either. You can't claim that because they are from far far away and super different they must be super aggressive and couldn't possibly have any altruistic traits. Also who's to say that the drastic differences couldn't be ultimately beneficial to both parties, Oh its just because you say so.


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