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re: Just sat through an interesting "Lunch and Learn" on the welfare system
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's called the welfare cliff and it's a very real thing
Didn't Japan cut their welfare when they realized it was too close to the bottom rung?
All welfare should be work based. Either volunteer 40 hours a week or die.
Was it Maine that instituted the volunteer clause and welfare recipients dropped 80%.
How horrible is that? Not willing to do even 20 hours of volunteering a week. Honestly don't care if they starve.
Hell, if you refuse volunteer work then nothing more than a sack of rice and beans every 2 weeks. You won't die but it isn't my purpose in life to give you a comfortable living if you refuse to work.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 1:30 pm to TigerMyth36
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Hell, if you refuse volunteer work then nothing more than a sack of rice and beans every 2 weeks. You won't die but it isn't my purpose in life to give you a comfortable living if you refuse to work.
The fact that you can be 100% dependent on Govt assistance and have a home, AC, a car, nice TV's, cell phone, be 100lbs overweight (and have 3 overweight kids) isn't a recipe for success.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 2:42 pm to TigerMyth36
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Was it Maine that instituted the volunteer clause and welfare recipients dropped 80%.
Sort of. What Maine (and now another state... Kentucky, maybe?) did was to set a requirement for work or education in order to receive TANF benefits starting in 2012 (they have to work at least 20 hours a week, participate in a work-training program or meet volunteering requirements) but only for able-bodied adults without dependents (ABAWD's).
How well has that worked? LINK
CY..........TANF Enrollment........Change from previous CY
2007..........13,451........................N/A
2008..........13,890........................3.3%
2009..........14,705........................5.9%
2010..........15,188........................3.3%
2011..........14,510.......................-4.5%
2012..........10,009......................-31.0%
2013...........8,117......................-18.9%
2014...........6,716......................-17.3%
2015...........5,817......................-13.4%
2016...........4,855......................-16.5%
2017...........4,492.......................-7.5%
While these numbers speak for themselves about how much abuse there was as well as how even minor requirements can change use levels, there have been other positive effects as well.
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Over the four-year period after our reforms, people who had prior earnings records saw their wages increase by an average of 237%. This was from the baseline period in the year before the reforms compared to the last three quarters in 2015 and the first quarter of 2016.
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