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RB Depth Charts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:23 am
Lotta bad RB info running around on the board. Lotta inaccurate values being passed around
Know that there are only 11 RBs who will handle both air and ground work, no timeshare
David Johnson
Lesean McCoy
Ezekiel Elliot
Lamar Miller
Leonard Fourntette
Kareem Hunt
Melvin Gordon
Todd Gurley
Dalvin Cook
Saquan Barkley
Lev Bell
You can add Kamara as a 12th with an asterisk
If you're not getting one of those 12 guys, would you wait on RBs? Let the timeshares and split duties work themselves out on the wash? Some will even be key FAs down the line. Why waste draft capital?
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:30 am to GynoSandberg
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If you're not getting one of those 12 guys, would you wait on RBs?
lol so you are taking all 12 of these over AB, Hopkins, Michael thomas, odell, and julio? lolol
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:38 am to oleyeller
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lol so you are taking all 12 of these over AB, Hopkins, Michael thomas, odell, and julio? lolol
wut
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:39 am to GynoSandberg
You’re a big proponent of Drake. You don’t think he’s worth taking in the draft at his average ADP? Obviously you take him if he falls. I agree he’s not rock solid, but I don’t think this 12 RBs and everyone else rule is that simple
Edit: to me it’s 3 tiers:
your tier you listed with minimal risk,
a tier of guys I wouldn’t reach for but definitely need to be drafted and should offer value but some risk, (Drake, Henry, Mixon, McKinnon, Howard)
and a high level of risk tier in true RBBC teams that you may take a flier on late (Pats, TB, Jets, Lions, etc)
Edit: to me it’s 3 tiers:
your tier you listed with minimal risk,
a tier of guys I wouldn’t reach for but definitely need to be drafted and should offer value but some risk, (Drake, Henry, Mixon, McKinnon, Howard)
and a high level of risk tier in true RBBC teams that you may take a flier on late (Pats, TB, Jets, Lions, etc)
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:40 am to oleyeller
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so you are taking all 12 of these over AB, Hopkins, Michael thomas, odell, and julio? lolo
That’s not what he meant at all
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:43 am to GynoSandberg
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David Johnson
Lesean McCoy
Ezekiel Elliot
Lamar Miller
Leonard Fourntette
Kareem Hunt
Melvin Gordon
Todd Gurley
Dalvin Cook
Saquan Barkley
Lev Bell
I wonder if we'll be adding McAffrey to this list in about a week and a half.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:44 am to CBandits82
Yea I feel McCaffrey will belong in that tier, and you’re drafting him like he will be
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:46 am to Upperdecker
eye ball test sure as hell looks like it
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:47 am to Upperdecker
that's why Im asking about waiting on RBs, going full circle back to zero RBs that everyone is all of a sudden off of.
I can load my WRs if I dont take a big 12 RB, get a few of a Drake, Royce Freeman, an Ajayi, a Lewis
With WR like Mike Thomas, Evans, Keenan Allen, Green sitting there in the 2nd rd, you're telling me I can start off with an AB/Hopkins/Beckham/Julio and pair em with another WR like Thomas Evans Allen?
just some food for thought
ETA you can group CMC in with Kamara. and to clarify im not saying dont take these guys, you can take 1 and still implement a nice WR stack and get your RB2 down the road
I can load my WRs if I dont take a big 12 RB, get a few of a Drake, Royce Freeman, an Ajayi, a Lewis
With WR like Mike Thomas, Evans, Keenan Allen, Green sitting there in the 2nd rd, you're telling me I can start off with an AB/Hopkins/Beckham/Julio and pair em with another WR like Thomas Evans Allen?
just some food for thought
ETA you can group CMC in with Kamara. and to clarify im not saying dont take these guys, you can take 1 and still implement a nice WR stack and get your RB2 down the road
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:53 am to GynoSandberg
I agree that’s a viable strategy. I’m just not sold it’s the best strategy, but if your draft is a bunch of people reaching for RBs hard in the 1st & 2nd rounds, it’s definitely a good idea
To me unless people are reaching hard, the uncertainty at the RB position compared to the WR position makes it worth it to sell out for the top tier options. Those top tier guys will produce at a starter level. But trying to find at least 1 and possibly 2 of those guys from the remaining backs is difficult. Whereas I think I can find starter level WRs later in the draft for sure
Edit: my fear is always trying to fill that 2nd RB spot. That can be tough if you don’t prioritize it. I’d rather solidify that spot at the price of my 1st WR not being top tier
To me unless people are reaching hard, the uncertainty at the RB position compared to the WR position makes it worth it to sell out for the top tier options. Those top tier guys will produce at a starter level. But trying to find at least 1 and possibly 2 of those guys from the remaining backs is difficult. Whereas I think I can find starter level WRs later in the draft for sure
Edit: my fear is always trying to fill that 2nd RB spot. That can be tough if you don’t prioritize it. I’d rather solidify that spot at the price of my 1st WR not being top tier
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:55 am to Upperdecker
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Yea I feel McCaffrey will belong in that tier, and you’re drafting him like he will be
Good point.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:56 am to GynoSandberg
I want one of those top 12.JMO. Big fall off after those with maybe the exception of Drake and CMC
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:57 am to GynoSandberg
A step further
Is say a guy like Devonta Freeman that much better than say Ajayi? Ajayi is a 4.6 YPC back over his last 468 carries for 2145 yd 9 TD, can catch some balls, no REAL RB comp. He's a damn good back who was a 1st-2nd rd guy just a year ago
Or is Jordan Howard that much better than Lam Miller over 16? Volume guys, Miller gets work through the air that Howard doesnt see
I dont think there is much difference. However, these 2nd rd WR vs the later rd WR do have a difference IMO
Is say a guy like Devonta Freeman that much better than say Ajayi? Ajayi is a 4.6 YPC back over his last 468 carries for 2145 yd 9 TD, can catch some balls, no REAL RB comp. He's a damn good back who was a 1st-2nd rd guy just a year ago
Or is Jordan Howard that much better than Lam Miller over 16? Volume guys, Miller gets work through the air that Howard doesnt see
I dont think there is much difference. However, these 2nd rd WR vs the later rd WR do have a difference IMO
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:58 am to A Menace to Sobriety
I think McKinnon is in a similar spot as far as ADP to McCaffrey, but he’s in a completely different tier. He’s the top end of that next tier of RBs that we aren’t sure on, but are too good to leave on the board. I think people are overpaying for him when he has a similar profile to some of the other Round 4-5 guys
Posted on 8/22/18 at 11:59 am to GynoSandberg
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Ajayi
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Freeman
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Lamar miller
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Howard
I think Freeman stands out but the rest are in the same tier. Ajayi has more competition for the ball than Freeman. I think he has more competition for carries, and the eagles will be a higher volume passing offense compared to falcons, and Freeman is a higher volume receiver
Howard and Miller are close to me, both are concerning in one part of the offense (rushing for Miller is low efficiency, receiving is nonexistent for Howard)
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:03 pm to GynoSandberg
The only three questions I have for you guys about these depth charts is this.
1) I thought Tampa Bay said they were actually gonna start Peyton Barber as RB Week 1? Now Ronald Jones is the starter? Did they change their minds or did I just go crazy there?
2) What should we expect from Chris Carson? Is he that good? Is he worthy of drafting high? I know he's injury prone, and Seattle's OL is terrible, but I just want to know if he's a good enough RB to draft.
3) Will Chris Thompson get a fair amount of carries, or will they still have their as pretty much their 3rd down/pass catching RB? Feel like Kelley and Perine aren't very good, so I figured that the Redskins might.
1) I thought Tampa Bay said they were actually gonna start Peyton Barber as RB Week 1? Now Ronald Jones is the starter? Did they change their minds or did I just go crazy there?
2) What should we expect from Chris Carson? Is he that good? Is he worthy of drafting high? I know he's injury prone, and Seattle's OL is terrible, but I just want to know if he's a good enough RB to draft.
3) Will Chris Thompson get a fair amount of carries, or will they still have their as pretty much their 3rd down/pass catching RB? Feel like Kelley and Perine aren't very good, so I figured that the Redskins might.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:05 pm to A Menace to Sobriety
I wouldn’t trust ESPN depth charts. They don’t tell the whole story, nor are they updated until anything official comes out
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:05 pm to Nonetheless
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I want one of those top 12.
So do I depending on the situation. But even still, RB position is so volatile. Just last year, DJ, Ajayi, Demarco, Crowell, Lam Miller were all ranked in ESPN top 30 PPR players going into the season. Every year top guys are going down or busting more than the WR imo
We saw kamara, hunt, Ingram, Duke, Dion Lewis, Alec Collins, drake, mckinnon etc etc burst on from mid to late rounds and free agency. I say Keep Calm and RB On, they will work themselves out
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:09 pm to A Menace to Sobriety
this depth chart is a week old, i was only using it to illustrate the committee vs noncomittee approaches
this is an example of the confusion in a lot of backfields
he's good enough to draft, but penny is the type of guy that comes into play eventually
Thompson will be a sub 10 rush attempt kinda guy to preserve him, he's delicate. playmaker through the air though
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1) I thought Tampa Bay said they were actually gonna start Peyton Barber as RB Week 1? Now Ronald Jones is the starter? Did they change their minds or did I just go crazy there?
this is an example of the confusion in a lot of backfields
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2) What should we expect from Chris Carson? Is he that good? Is he worthy of drafting high? I know he's injury prone, and Seattle's OL is terrible, but I just want to know if he's a good enough RB to draft.
he's good enough to draft, but penny is the type of guy that comes into play eventually
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3) Will Chris Thompson get a fair amount of carries, or will they still have their as pretty much their 3rd down/pass catching RB? Feel like Kelley and Perine aren't very good, so I figured that the Redskins might.
Thompson will be a sub 10 rush attempt kinda guy to preserve him, he's delicate. playmaker through the air though
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:38 pm to GynoSandberg
I think RB is in a better spot than most years. Don’t really care about air & ground work, though of course that is a plus. But I think you could expand your list to 16-17 guys you can count on as RB1 or RB2 over a year when you consider guys like CMC & Kamara will catch 80 balls & a guy like Joe Mixon & Freeman will see majority of carries + passing game work.
That being said, tab your zero RB guys for us. Give me 5 that you hold the most confidence in. This is always easier said then done
That being said, tab your zero RB guys for us. Give me 5 that you hold the most confidence in. This is always easier said then done
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 12:40 pm
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