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re: Medicare will become insolvent in 2026 — three years earlier than previously forecast

Posted on 6/7/18 at 6:49 am to
Posted by fishfighter
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 6:49 am to
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Hence my plan, I would shift Medicare away from a federal government managed program and put it into the state’s hands by the expansion of Medicaid. I only say this because most seniors are at or near the poverty level. For seniors well above the poverty level, a CHIP/Advantage like program with copays and deductibles would be available too.


You think by any chance that the State would do the right thing?

Look back at the TOPS program and were the funding was suppose to come from. But yet, they stole that money to put it in the general fund to plug holes in other programs.

Medicare is for people that has a base line income. These people worked all their lives and paid into it. I'm one of those people. Medicare pays about 80% of bills and on some things less. People that are on Medicare pays the rest. In my case, I carry Medicare plan "F" which cost me a lot, but covers what Medicare doesn't pay.

Medicaid is for poor people that has little to no income. Are we to tell these people to just die?
Posted by meansonny
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/7/18 at 8:28 am to
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Are we to tell these people to just die?


This is the problem (for a ton of reasons) with healthcare costs and why free market won't work.

When you are scheduling your parent's surgery, do you find the cheapest doctor?
Do you even price out doctor's or just get consults with the best ones regardless of cost.

With healthcare, there is not a comparative shopping process for goods and services.
The same goes for MLB athlete contracts.
The same goes for CEO hiring.

When the search is limited to the two or three "best", there is no corrective leverage on the cost. The demand only increases on the limited supply. The new "set price" doesn't influence the next market condition only to set a floor for what the best 1 or 2 option would garner.

The result is spiraling costs with everyone scratching their heads for a solution.

Other issues for costs are unpaid medical services (either uninsured, declined by health insurance or co-pays that never get turned in). The money comes from somewhere, and this is a big reason why our paid services are significantly higher than other countries.

Lastly, insurance companies do not have an incentive to decline claims and keep costs down. Insurance today isn't insurance. It is a conduit. The higher claims go, the more the insurance companies charge. This isn't greed. It is a cost of service (even the government charges this cost of service. Your county tax assessor keeps 2% of the property tax rolls before turning any money over to the school systems or county government). When the insurance companies actually assumed risk, they would target a 6% margin. But with the federal government guaranteeing losses in an attempt to get insurance companies on board with Obamacare, those margins have shrunk because the risk of loss has shrunk with it. 3 or 4% margins are currently present. The insurance companies don't mind because cost increases near 10% a year. And that will go higher if more claims are paid.

Doctors/hospitals and insurance companies don't have an incentive to let people die. They lose customers that way.
Changing from the current system would battle that approach. And we would be subject to a death panel approving how we take care of our loved ones despite our mindset of being wired to do whatever is necessary.
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