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Is there a running list of Trump wins, that we can add the cake ruling to?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:31 pm
asking for a friend ...
who claims he's not tired of winning.
who claims he's not tired of winning.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:32 pm to League Champs
The cake ruling isn't really a win. Too narrowly decided for that.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:35 pm to League Champs
500 days of Our President winning and counting!
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:36 pm to League Champs
You know that both sides are claiming a win here right? If anything its pro-LGBTQ
"Our society has come to the recognition that gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth," Kennedy wrote.
But Kennedy said the state commission's hostility toward religion "was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion."
Kennedy wrote that any ruling in favor of creative professionals must be "sufficiently constrained, lest all purveyors of goods and services who object to gay marriages for moral and religious reasons in effect be allowed to put up signs saying 'no goods or services will be sold if they will be used for gay marriages,' something that would impose a serious stigma on gay persons."
"Our society has come to the recognition that gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth," Kennedy wrote.
But Kennedy said the state commission's hostility toward religion "was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion."
Kennedy wrote that any ruling in favor of creative professionals must be "sufficiently constrained, lest all purveyors of goods and services who object to gay marriages for moral and religious reasons in effect be allowed to put up signs saying 'no goods or services will be sold if they will be used for gay marriages,' something that would impose a serious stigma on gay persons."
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:36 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
The cake ruling isn't really a win
Sure it is. These people lives were ruined by the lawsuits that were filed against them. They may not sell any more cakes but they sure will get their due in court.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:36 pm to League Champs
how is this a trump win? wasn't it a supreme court decision? 7-2 so the justice he added wouldn't have made a difference. it's a win but not a trump win
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:38 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
The cake ruling isn't really a win. Too narrowly decided for that.
like the good sky screamer you are
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:40 pm to League Champs
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:42 pm to TN Bhoy
quote:
The cake ruling isn't really a win. Too narrowly decided for that.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:45 pm to bmy
quote:Nah. That's just silly.
You know that both sides are claiming a win here right? If anything its pro-LGBTQ
quote:
Kennedy wrote that any ruling in favor of creative professionals must be "sufficiently constrained, lest all purveyors of goods and services who object to gay marriages for moral and religious reasons in effect be allowed to put up signs saying 'no goods or services will be sold if they will be used for gay marriages,' something that would impose a serious stigma on gay persons
99% of the people who support the bakers support this.
Meanwhile, 100% of the anti-baker people oppose it.
If the only issue was not being allowed to put up a sign refusing to serve ANY gays........this wouldn't even be a famous issue.
Every single famous case has required either
1. The contractor(cake, photographer etc) to either create something unique to a gay event
or
2. Contractor participation in said event.
And, there's really no way after this ruling to continue to force either 1 or 2.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:54 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Every single famous case has required either
1. The contractor(cake, photographer etc) to either create something unique to a gay event
or
2. Contractor participation in said event.
And, there's really no way after this ruling to continue to force either 1 or 2.
It only extends to creative professionals. You can't be forced to create art for a gay wedding but a catering company, for example, would typically be on the hook.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 2:56 pm to celltech1981
quote:
how is this a trump win?
OK, let's see ...
1) Gorsuch
2) These bakers (and others) won't be forced to bake cakes, or go out of business
3) Trump's DOJ was on the winning side of the arguments
quote:
Trump Administration Backs Baker Who Refused to Make Gay Wedding Cake
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:02 pm to League Champs
some of these comments are gold
This post was edited on 6/4/18 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:05 pm to TN Bhoy
You're a Catholic priest, aren't you?
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:06 pm to bmy
quote:Well, that's what's been talked about this whole time. I mean, so. Ok. It "only extends to the people we've wanted it to extend to!"
It only extends to creative professionals
quote:Not really. Catering requires presence at the event. That's going to run into exactly the same problem spelled out in this case.
You can't be forced to create art for a gay wedding but a catering company, for example, would typically be on the hook.
It's simple.
To pass muster, if you read Kennedy........you can't be playing "good for you........but not for you" games with the religious.
So cool. You set a policy and someone tries to get the catering company for a gay wedding. Great. The local authorities will be all over that.
But NOW, the path is laid. What we'll see is some enterprising conservatives doing exactly what the gays have done.
They'll seek to get known gay companies to support events they know the companies will find objectionable.
And viola. Local authorities will do the same stupid shite they did here and only go after the religious.
And, if per chance they actually try and shoot fair.........the fricking gays will lose their goddamned minds!
Win either way.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:06 pm to bmy
quote:
"Our society has come to the recognition that gay persons and gay couples cannot be treated as social outcasts or as inferior in dignity and worth," Kennedy wrote.
And Kennedy is about to be replaced by a much more conservative justice. Expect the fence riding to end. No more cakes for you.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:12 pm to League Champs
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2) These bakers (and others) won't be forced to bake cakes, or go out of business
Awfully presumptuous with such a narrow ruling. The baker successfully claimed his special order cakes were a personal expression of art and his beliefs.
That won't work for most goods and services.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:14 pm to League Champs
I think there is room for additional wins in "Trump Wins" volume 2.
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:15 pm to League Champs
I just want him to Tweet
Posted on 6/4/18 at 3:17 pm to League Champs
Not sure how this is a "Trump win"? The justice he appointed replaced Scalia, who almost assuredly would have been in the 7-2 majority on the opinion. It's not as if Gorsuch "tipped the scales" on this decision.
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