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re: Surprise! Donald Trump is terrible at diplomacy. - WaPo - Update: FT Still Right

Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:04 pm to
Posted by FT
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:04 pm to
Easy. Sorry if I didn’t reply earlier.

A win, in this case, is threefold.

1) Go heavily into the TPP, alienating China from their neighbors and making the United States the preferred trading partner in the region. This limits China’s ability to pressure North Korea or make overtures to other nations.

2) Once the nations in the region and our partners recognize that the United States is the trading partner to have, over China, you demand that North Korea cease testing of missiles and allow inspectors in. You offer a carrot; a way to be closer to the United States and South Korea than they are to China. You make moves with private companies to open factories and farms in North Korea. If they slip up, the people have gotten a taste of a market they’ve never seen. It destabilizes North Korea, and incentivizes real inspections and transparency, lest Kim lose his hold on the nation and his godlike status with the people.

3) When the above have been done, you’ve shattered the status quo. The people will have had access to the West in a way that always works. We win consistently when the people are eating at McDonald’s, wearing Levis, and fed up with how things used to be. He’s faced with a situation that requires winning a civil war, or at least massive unrest, or capitulation.

What we did instead:

1) Have a meeting with no preconditions.

2) Cancel military exercises.

3) Legitimize Kim in the eyes of his people, with nothing to show for it. Even the haters and losers are arguing that this is only the beginning. It is the beginning, and we began by giving away very valuable propaganda and military preparedness in exchange for a promise North Korea always gives and has never followed through with.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:06 pm to
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2) Cancel military exercises.

Nope.

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Legitimize Kim in the eyes of his people, with nothing to show for it.
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It is the beginning, and we began by giving away very valuable propaganda and military preparedness in exchange for a promise North Korea always gives and has never followed through with.
FFS when is the next crucial super important exercise scheduled Toddy?
Posted by RTRLSD
Member since Jan 2016
1008 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:07 pm to
I was making fun of this guy at like 2 in the morning and he's still at it.

Posted by MF Doom
I'm only Joshin'
Member since Oct 2008
11712 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:10 pm to
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Legitimize Kim in the eyes of his people, with nothing to show for it.


this criticism rules because it literally means nothing.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:10 pm to
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What we did instead:

1) Have a meeting with no preconditions.

2) Cancel military exercises.

3) Legitimize Kim in the eyes of his people, with nothing to show for it. Even the haters and losers are arguing that this is only the beginning. It is the beginning, and we began by giving away very valuable propaganda and military preparedness in exchange for a promise North Korea always gives and has never followed through with.


Trump Derangement Syndrome is real.
Posted by indianswim
Plano, TX
Member since Jan 2010
18821 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:13 pm to
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He’s faced with a situation that requires winning a civil war, or at least massive unrest, or capitulation


Here lies the reason your scenario is completely ridiculous. No way they let it get that far. If he saw a civil war brewing and it was being pushed by our heavy handedness, I believe he'd go for broke. And you guys would scream that Trump's "lack of diplomacy" led us to this.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11818 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 2:44 pm to
Reading FT is like a case study in insanity.

You have to be so blinded by hatred to act like this.

But oh no we have “legitimized” Kim!!!
Posted by CajunSoldier225
Member since Aug 2011
8990 posts
Posted on 6/12/18 at 7:03 pm to
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military preparedness


Libs don’t know what this is. Stop acting like Dems give two cares about the military all of a sudden. Y’all were more than happy to tell USF to suck it with Sequestration but now of all sudden “Muh Military Preparedness!”.

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