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re: New state model for education
Posted on 5/20/18 at 6:02 pm to ShortyRob
Posted on 5/20/18 at 6:02 pm to ShortyRob
There are a lot of simply bad ideas here from multiple sides. Yes, I am a teacher. No, I am not in a union. I am about as conservative as one kind find.
1. School choice is a lie, and thinking vouchers will open new ones is a bigger lie. Why? Schools are not profitable. Never have been. Never will be. Aren't vouchers just another approach to Pell Grants and student loans? Most areas are simply too rural to offer school choice.
2. Comparing US test scores to foreign scores is comparing apples to custom grown square watermelons. We teach and test EVERYBODY who goes to school in this country, AND we send EVERYBODY to school. Only the best and brightest even get to go to school in many countries. While little Johnny Merican with a 78 IQ and his many similar friends are attempting to take the ACT (I am not shitting you), little Kim Wong with a 78 IQ is working in a lithium mine, sewing Nikes, or making Iphones.
3. The mass majority of Americans, regardless of their race or gender, are more concerned with the distance of the school from their workplace, the sports possibilities, or how "prestigious" the school appears, rather than actual results.
It's much more complicated than most people understand. Even I have a hard time pointing to many viable solutions. The students are a genetic and social product of their environments, and the schools are generally a reflection. Mountain Brook High School will be the best high school in Alabama for a long time, because 84% of the adult population has at least a bachelor's degree. The schools in impoverished areas, with broken homes, and adult illiteracy will never succeed beyond a certain point. The culture is toxic.
1. School choice is a lie, and thinking vouchers will open new ones is a bigger lie. Why? Schools are not profitable. Never have been. Never will be. Aren't vouchers just another approach to Pell Grants and student loans? Most areas are simply too rural to offer school choice.
2. Comparing US test scores to foreign scores is comparing apples to custom grown square watermelons. We teach and test EVERYBODY who goes to school in this country, AND we send EVERYBODY to school. Only the best and brightest even get to go to school in many countries. While little Johnny Merican with a 78 IQ and his many similar friends are attempting to take the ACT (I am not shitting you), little Kim Wong with a 78 IQ is working in a lithium mine, sewing Nikes, or making Iphones.
3. The mass majority of Americans, regardless of their race or gender, are more concerned with the distance of the school from their workplace, the sports possibilities, or how "prestigious" the school appears, rather than actual results.
It's much more complicated than most people understand. Even I have a hard time pointing to many viable solutions. The students are a genetic and social product of their environments, and the schools are generally a reflection. Mountain Brook High School will be the best high school in Alabama for a long time, because 84% of the adult population has at least a bachelor's degree. The schools in impoverished areas, with broken homes, and adult illiteracy will never succeed beyond a certain point. The culture is toxic.
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Posted on 5/20/18 at 8:51 pm to Bamapossum
quote:
1. School choice is a lie, and thinking vouchers will open new ones is a bigger lie. Why? Schools are not profitable. Never have been. Never will be. Aren't vouchers just another approach to Pell Grants and student loans? Most areas are simply too rural to offer school choice.
Wrong Wrong Wrong. If you are a teacher and you got $10000 in vouchers for every kid you had in your class what would do with that? Could you not do a better job than we do now filtering that through 3 layers of government bureaucracy?
Posted on 5/20/18 at 9:32 pm to Bamapossum
quote:I'm not talking about these things.
1. School choice is a lie, and thinking vouchers will open new ones is a bigger lie
quote:True
Why? Schools are not profitable
quote:False
Never have been. Never will be.
quote:I'm not talking about school choice
Most areas are simply too rural to offer school choice.
quote:I agree. Most of our comparative testing is not comparing similar populations.
2. Comparing US test scores to foreign scores is comparing apples to custom grown square watermelons.
As for the rest of your post. It wasn't uninteresting. I just don't know why it was posted in response to me.
Posted on 5/20/18 at 10:36 pm to Bamapossum
Good post. I disagree that schools cant be profitable. The main reason they cant be profitable is because there are free alternatives. I have no disagreements about rural schools. You may just be stuck with what you got.
No they arent. You dont have to pay back vouchers. Take direct payments away from schools..return that money to the taxpayer(unless you dont pay taxes...then thank the next guy you see driving a nice car for funding your childs education).
Right now Johnny has no choice. Hes stuck in mandated daycare. Johnny has no use for English literature or Calculus. He needs to be learning a skill, and/or flipping burgers to make some money.
Schools also need choice. They need the strings cut from the doofuses on the board of education and superintendent who need to keep those funds rolling in from the state capitol and DC. They need to be able to tell kids who disrupt class...not to come back. No in school suspension...go find another school. These entitled parents that make teacher's lives hell...would be changing their tune with the quickness.
Why? Because 8-3 model school sucks. If your kid is reasonably smart, he will be fine because all the other kids are subjected to the same shitty schooling. Public school A really is no different than public school B if the demographics are roughly the same.
Heres the thing...you are right about kids being prepared. Its not like American kids are like trained monkeys when compared to the rest of the world. Bridges still get built, roads paved, banks give out loans, new businesses open every day. People can get by with knowing how to read, write, do simple math(which some school systems cant teach in 13 years of mandated school). Ultimately school is a massive waste of time for the vast majority other than learning how to interact with and work with others.
My ultimate goal would be to make the education process...not a waste of time.
quote:
Aren't vouchers just another approach to Pell Grants and student loans?
No they arent. You dont have to pay back vouchers. Take direct payments away from schools..return that money to the taxpayer(unless you dont pay taxes...then thank the next guy you see driving a nice car for funding your childs education).
quote:
2. Comparing US test scores to foreign scores is comparing apples to custom grown square watermelons. We teach and test EVERYBODY who goes to school in this country, AND we send EVERYBODY to school. Only the best and brightest even get to go to school in many countries. While little Johnny Merican with a 78 IQ and his many similar friends are attempting to take the ACT (I am not shitting you), little Kim Wong with a 78 IQ is working in a lithium mine, sewing Nikes, or making Iphones.
Right now Johnny has no choice. Hes stuck in mandated daycare. Johnny has no use for English literature or Calculus. He needs to be learning a skill, and/or flipping burgers to make some money.
Schools also need choice. They need the strings cut from the doofuses on the board of education and superintendent who need to keep those funds rolling in from the state capitol and DC. They need to be able to tell kids who disrupt class...not to come back. No in school suspension...go find another school. These entitled parents that make teacher's lives hell...would be changing their tune with the quickness.
quote:
3. The mass majority of Americans, regardless of their race or gender, are more concerned with the distance of the school from their workplace, the sports possibilities, or how "prestigious" the school appears, rather than actual results
Why? Because 8-3 model school sucks. If your kid is reasonably smart, he will be fine because all the other kids are subjected to the same shitty schooling. Public school A really is no different than public school B if the demographics are roughly the same.
Heres the thing...you are right about kids being prepared. Its not like American kids are like trained monkeys when compared to the rest of the world. Bridges still get built, roads paved, banks give out loans, new businesses open every day. People can get by with knowing how to read, write, do simple math(which some school systems cant teach in 13 years of mandated school). Ultimately school is a massive waste of time for the vast majority other than learning how to interact with and work with others.
My ultimate goal would be to make the education process...not a waste of time.
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