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re: Updated v.3.16 - Will Cover's 2018 buying guide to purchasing a new vehicle
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:17 am to TigrrrDad
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:17 am to TigrrrDad
Ok....let's just look at things in more detail. But first, you are a terrible person. This guy goes to great effort to try and help people and you offer nothing but condescension, so you should just go frick right off with that nonsense.
Let's see how this plays out.
And how do you propose people do this without looking at vehicles at those places where they keep them, called dealerships?
Just assume everything with the vehicle is perfect before ever taking a look at it or driving it? I'm guessing you always believe the Nigerian prince in his emails too.
I don't think he said to just stick with one dealer, hence the 'walk away' advice.
Your tactic just has them bidding against each other to beat a specific price. The other tactic has them trying to instantly beat all prices.
Unless these are fleet vehicles, then this speaks against your credibility.
They were probably making good money off of your millennial-like impulsiveness and the fact you are too lazy to thoroughly review such a purchase.
Yeah, they were fricking you over. Not only are you a terrible person but you're a dumbass. You really think they offered you a fair value based on some pictures? You've been getting ripped off, but shite, you're aware it's 2018 and you use the internet so I guess it's OK.
None of which is binding.
They were hooking you up, for sure. Congrats on your failure.
Maybe you're really rich and the money isn't that important to you. But what you've listed is not a winning strategy. It might be convenient, though.
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This is so 1980s and so FULL of fail.
Let's see how this plays out.
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It’s 2018 - if you know what type of vehicle you want
And how do you propose people do this without looking at vehicles at those places where they keep them, called dealerships?
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you don’t have to step into the car dealership until you arrive to pick up your car that you’ve already found the best deal on.
Just assume everything with the vehicle is perfect before ever taking a look at it or driving it? I'm guessing you always believe the Nigerian prince in his emails too.
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You DO NOT get the best price with super duper negotiating tactics at a dealer
I don't think he said to just stick with one dealer, hence the 'walk away' advice.
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“Best prices” will drop like a rock when another dealer beats it. And then that “best price” will drop like a rock too. And so on, and so on. All of this is done in a matter of a couple days, spending just a few minutes each day. You’ll spend 1/10th of the time negotiating online with a half dozen dealers compared to the time you’ll spend haggling inside one dealership.
Your tactic just has them bidding against each other to beat a specific price. The other tactic has them trying to instantly beat all prices.
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ETA: I’ve bought 6 cars in the past 5 years using the online method.
Unless these are fleet vehicles, then this speaks against your credibility.
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Never had a dealer try to change any aspect of the deal
They were probably making good money off of your millennial-like impulsiveness and the fact you are too lazy to thoroughly review such a purchase.
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they’ve always stuck to the trade value quoted based on just photos I’ve emailed.
Yeah, they were fricking you over. Not only are you a terrible person but you're a dumbass. You really think they offered you a fair value based on some pictures? You've been getting ripped off, but shite, you're aware it's 2018 and you use the internet so I guess it's OK.
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Do all negotiating via email or text so it is all in writing.
None of which is binding.
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I’ll allow a brief phone call for an introduction, then I end it with, “Don’t call me again - text me or email me.”
They were hooking you up, for sure. Congrats on your failure.
Maybe you're really rich and the money isn't that important to you. But what you've listed is not a winning strategy. It might be convenient, though.
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:48 am to starsandstripes
There's more fail in that response than there is in your Q posts, which is plenty.
I've already established that long ago. What's your point?
In saying "if you know what type of vehicle you want," I've already established that you've done the "car choosing" phase. Finding a vehicle and negotiating for a vehicle are two completely separate things and shouldn't be handled at the same time. That being said, with rare exceptions I've always known what kind of vehicle I wanted without having to go shopping. Maybe we're just buying different types of vehicles. Once you've identified which vehicle you want, which color, and which options, then the car buying phase begins. This should not occur inside a dealership on their territory. There are many online sites that allow you to enter all of this information, which will then spit out a list of every dealership around that has that exact vehicle. I find every vehicle that meets my criteria within a 500 mile radius. I hope that clarifies it for you.
Where did I say you can't test drive the vehicle and check it over with a fine toothed comb before you sign the papers? Again, that being said, never have I arrived at a dealership and found something wrong with the car I was picking up. But I have test driven every one before signing.
Right. And if you go from dealer to dealer using the Will Cover method, you're going to spend half your life in car dealerships. I've done it in the pre-internet days. Especially given the fact that the best deals are generally going to be in places like Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, etc. - places that will have 50 of a particular model instead of a handful like most local dealerships.
No, it doesn't. The other method has them giving you THEIR best price, not THE best price. Mine has them continually bidding against each other's "best" price. It's not a one shot deal at each to beat the last price - it's an ongoing process. If dealer B beats dealer A's price, then dealer C beats dealer B's price, then dealer A comes down to beat dealer C's price. And so on, and so on...And all of this takes literally MINUTES of your time. A LOT of cars are sold online today, and when they don't have you standing in front of them in their dealership, they are a lot quicker to come down in price to make the sale. People who don't understand this haven't gone through the process. I'm in my 50s, and I learned the "Will Cover" method from one of the most hard arse negotiators I've ever known - my father. I used his method for years and years and got better deals than most. Then 5 years ago I started dealing online and laughed at myself for all the time I wasted using the prior method when I saw the results.
How does liking cars and buying plenty of them speak against my credibility in a discussion about buying cars? More experience makes one less credible? Someone who buys a car every year is less credible at car buying methods than someone who buys one every 6 or 7 years? That makes zero sense. Am I suggesting buying cars every year is the route to financial freedom? Of course not. It wastes lots of money and makes little financial sense. But that has nothing to do with the credibility of the method. More buying = more credibility in negotiating tactics.
How is it "impulsive" to shop many dealers as opposed to just a few dealers? The amount of time that dealing online saves means you are able to shop many more dealers in a fraction of the time. That is the opposite of impulsiveness. It is thoroughness.
Wrong again. Using the tools available online means you can search black book values, NADA values, blue book values, and search a myriad of used car sites to establish a fair value for your trade before you even start negotiating a trade value with dealers. So no, they weren't "fricking me over". Not by a long shot.
I never said any of it was legally binding, but it's a lot more "binding" than a car salesman's spoken word - and makes it a lot easier to call them out on their bullshite. And like I said, I've never had a dealer tack on any additional fees, change any terms, change the trade value, etc. - so in effect, it apparently was pretty damn binding.
Yes, they were hooking me up. I've got as much as $7,000 less than the local dealers' "best price," quite simply because expanding your range opens you to larger volume dealers. Again, a dealer with 50 of a particular model will almost always give you a much better deal than a local dealer with 5 on the lot.
My results prove that it is. :double bird:
If you think playing dealers against each in a half dozen major cities like Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, etc. who have 10x the volume is less successful than walking into and haggling with a local dealership in, for example, Denham Springs...I just don't know what to tell you. But good luck with that "best deal" you got.
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But first, you are a terrible person.
I've already established that long ago. What's your point?
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And how do you propose people do this without looking at vehicles at those places where they keep them, called dealerships?
In saying "if you know what type of vehicle you want," I've already established that you've done the "car choosing" phase. Finding a vehicle and negotiating for a vehicle are two completely separate things and shouldn't be handled at the same time. That being said, with rare exceptions I've always known what kind of vehicle I wanted without having to go shopping. Maybe we're just buying different types of vehicles. Once you've identified which vehicle you want, which color, and which options, then the car buying phase begins. This should not occur inside a dealership on their territory. There are many online sites that allow you to enter all of this information, which will then spit out a list of every dealership around that has that exact vehicle. I find every vehicle that meets my criteria within a 500 mile radius. I hope that clarifies it for you.
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Just assume everything with the vehicle is perfect before ever taking a look at it or driving it? I'm guessing you always believe the Nigerian prince in his emails too.
Where did I say you can't test drive the vehicle and check it over with a fine toothed comb before you sign the papers? Again, that being said, never have I arrived at a dealership and found something wrong with the car I was picking up. But I have test driven every one before signing.
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I don't think he said to just stick with one dealer, hence the 'walk away' advice.
Right. And if you go from dealer to dealer using the Will Cover method, you're going to spend half your life in car dealerships. I've done it in the pre-internet days. Especially given the fact that the best deals are generally going to be in places like Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, etc. - places that will have 50 of a particular model instead of a handful like most local dealerships.
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Your tactic just has them bidding against each other to beat a specific price. The other tactic has them trying to instantly beat all prices.
No, it doesn't. The other method has them giving you THEIR best price, not THE best price. Mine has them continually bidding against each other's "best" price. It's not a one shot deal at each to beat the last price - it's an ongoing process. If dealer B beats dealer A's price, then dealer C beats dealer B's price, then dealer A comes down to beat dealer C's price. And so on, and so on...And all of this takes literally MINUTES of your time. A LOT of cars are sold online today, and when they don't have you standing in front of them in their dealership, they are a lot quicker to come down in price to make the sale. People who don't understand this haven't gone through the process. I'm in my 50s, and I learned the "Will Cover" method from one of the most hard arse negotiators I've ever known - my father. I used his method for years and years and got better deals than most. Then 5 years ago I started dealing online and laughed at myself for all the time I wasted using the prior method when I saw the results.
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Unless these are fleet vehicles, then this speaks against your credibility.
How does liking cars and buying plenty of them speak against my credibility in a discussion about buying cars? More experience makes one less credible? Someone who buys a car every year is less credible at car buying methods than someone who buys one every 6 or 7 years? That makes zero sense. Am I suggesting buying cars every year is the route to financial freedom? Of course not. It wastes lots of money and makes little financial sense. But that has nothing to do with the credibility of the method. More buying = more credibility in negotiating tactics.
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They were probably making good money off of your millennial-like impulsiveness and the fact you are too lazy to thoroughly review such a purchase.
How is it "impulsive" to shop many dealers as opposed to just a few dealers? The amount of time that dealing online saves means you are able to shop many more dealers in a fraction of the time. That is the opposite of impulsiveness. It is thoroughness.
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Yeah, they were fricking you over. Not only are you a terrible person but you're a dumbass. You really think they offered you a fair value based on some pictures? You've been getting ripped off, but shite, you're aware it's 2018 and you use the internet so I guess it's OK.
Wrong again. Using the tools available online means you can search black book values, NADA values, blue book values, and search a myriad of used car sites to establish a fair value for your trade before you even start negotiating a trade value with dealers. So no, they weren't "fricking me over". Not by a long shot.
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None of which is binding.
I never said any of it was legally binding, but it's a lot more "binding" than a car salesman's spoken word - and makes it a lot easier to call them out on their bullshite. And like I said, I've never had a dealer tack on any additional fees, change any terms, change the trade value, etc. - so in effect, it apparently was pretty damn binding.
quote:
They were hooking you up, for sure. Congrats on your failure.
Yes, they were hooking me up. I've got as much as $7,000 less than the local dealers' "best price," quite simply because expanding your range opens you to larger volume dealers. Again, a dealer with 50 of a particular model will almost always give you a much better deal than a local dealer with 5 on the lot.
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But what you've listed is not a winning strategy.
My results prove that it is. :double bird:
If you think playing dealers against each in a half dozen major cities like Houston, Atlanta, Dallas, etc. who have 10x the volume is less successful than walking into and haggling with a local dealership in, for example, Denham Springs...I just don't know what to tell you. But good luck with that "best deal" you got.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 6:11 am
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