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Gun rights don't come from the second amendment

Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:22 pm
Mises.com


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Whenever there is a gun massacre, statists inevitably respond that it’s time to repeal the Second Amendment. The idea is that if the Second Amendment is gone, so will be the right to own guns in the United States. There is just one big problem with that position: It’s wrong. The Second Amendment, like the First Amendment, doesn’t give anyone any rights. Instead, it prohibits the federal government from infringing on rights that are natural and God-given and that preexist government. The Declaration of Independence sets forth the essential principles. Every person (i.e., not just American citizens) is endowed by nature or God with fundamental rights. These include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Thus, given that people’s rights are natural and God-given, they preexist government. The rights come first and the government comes second. What is the purpose of government? The Declaration answers the question: The purpose of government is to protect the existence and exercise of people’s natural, God-given rights.



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The American people finally decided to go along with the deal. The biggest argument that finally sold it to them was that the U.S. Constitution, which called the federal government into existence, strictly limited the powers of the federal government to those few powers that were enumerated in the document. Those enumerated powers did not include the power to infringe or destroy people’s natural, God-given rights — rights, again, that preexisted the federal government. Thus, even without the Bill of Rights, the federal government had no legitimate authority to control what people read or what people owned, including books and guns. That’s because these rights preexisted the government and because the Constitution did not give the federal government the power to infringe on these preexisting rights.


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In fact, some people even argued that by enumerating some rights in the Bill of Rights, that might be construed to mean that those were the only rights that were being protected. That’s why the Ninth Amendment was enacted — to point out that that was not the intention. The reason the Bill of Rights was enacted was because of the deep concern that our American ancestors had about the threat that the new federal government would pose to their rights and liberties. They believed that this government — their government — would inevitably end up doing what every other government in history has done — destroy there rights. That’s why they enacted the Bill of Rights — to hammer the message home that the American people were expressly prohibiting the federal government from traveling the road to tyranny that all other governments in history had travelled.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:25 pm to
We, unlike every other place on this earth, were founded to be a nation without tyranny...period. Guns are the only thing that stands between us and the nullification of our constitution and our country.

Without guns, we have no Bill of Rights. We have no freedoms, and our constitution is null and void. Who and what will make sure the government abides by it? Our guns are our insurance policies.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 1:28 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
108207 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:27 pm to
Yep
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14321 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:34 pm to
And completely ignoring, usurping, obfuscating, and violating the 10th Amendment is why we have a tyrannical federal government and judiciary right now.
Posted by JEAUXBLEAUX
Bayonne, NJ
Member since May 2006
55371 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:41 pm to
Gun f’in nuts
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:46 pm to
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Who and what will make sure the government abides by it? Our guns are our insurance policies.
They're an insurance policy to protect against total tyranny, however nobody is making the government abide by anything and they haven't for a long time. The very fact that you have to pay a tax in most states to carry a gun is absolute proof. Our nation has been operating as a 50% defacto marxist nation since the 1910's. The very reason we have federal income tax is because of the unity of bankers and marxists from that time period.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:50 pm to
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God-given


Please don't lose this for us with garbage like this.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
43877 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:54 pm to
Whatever dude.

Call it what you will. It's a natural right, not conveyed by any other person or people.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
33038 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 1:57 pm to
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Please don't lose this for us with garbage like this.


Why do you hate the declaration?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:01 pm to
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We, unlike every other place on this earth, were founded to be a nation without tyranny...period. Guns are the only thing that stands between us and the nullification of our constitution and our country.

Without guns, we have no Bill of Rights. We have no freedoms, and our constitution is null and void. Who and what will make sure the government abides by it? Our guns are our insurance policies.

Except the government could still step on your throat without batting an eye if it really wanted to.
Your AR ain't gonna stop tanks or missiles.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14321 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:01 pm to
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Gun f’in nuts


My comment had little to do with guns, Skippy. Read the Constitution and Bill of Rights, paying close attention to the 10th Amendment, and then tell me how the Departments of Education, Energy, and about 98% of the other government agencies we live under are Constitutional.

Try being smart, rather than leaving comments you think sound smart.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61049 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:01 pm to
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Please don't lose this for us with garbage like this.


I belive in God and I do belive our rights derive from him and that we are created in his image and unique. The vast majority of Americans also believed this at the writing of the constitution.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61049 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:03 pm to
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Except the government could still step on your throat without batting an eye if it really wanted to. Your AR ain't gonna stop tanks or missiles.



You seem to get gleeful every time you post about a tyrannical government and it's power to use force against its citizens. Why?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
43877 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:09 pm to
Hear that guys?

The ackchewally guy just said 150 million armed citizens shouldn't even bother with the 2nd amendment, because American troops will nuke their own families if generic president libtard commands they do so.

I guess it's over. We should just melt our guns into plow shares like good comrades.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:16 pm to
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You seem to get gleeful every time you post about a tyrannical government and it's power to use force against its citizens. Why?


Sorry for posting a fact. The whole "guns will save us from the evil government" trope is fantasy. I like guns. I own guns. If the government wanted to kill us all, they could. Period. Now that would involve a lot of maniacal strangeness from a pretty decent sized group, but they would prevail, unfortunately.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14321 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:19 pm to
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You seem to get gleeful every time you post about a tyrannical government and it's power to use force against its citizens. Why?


Because that's exactly how marxist/socialists have taken and maintained control, everywhere they have fooled the ignorant and corrupt into putting them in power. It's what they do, and how they expect to crush dissent when given the opportunity.

It's also why they go after rifles like the AR at every opportunity, when they account for statistically none of the murders by firearm. They want all effective means of resistance and revolt crushed.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
43877 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:24 pm to
"I love guns!"... "I own guns!"... "no one if coming for your guns!"...

"But the 2nd amendment is bullshite!"

All the lefties sound the same on this.

Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
30561 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:26 pm to
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We, unlike every other place on this earth, were founded to be a nation without tyranny...period



And yet things like civil asset forfeiture and NSA dragnet surveillance still exist.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
61049 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:27 pm to
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Sorry for posting a fact. The whole "guns will save us from the evil government" trope is fantasy. I like guns. I own guns. If the government wanted to kill us all, they could. Period. Now that would involve a lot of maniacal strangeness from a pretty decent sized group, but they would prevail, unfortunately.


The British government also thought their soldiers could beat farmers.
Posted by MrCarton
Paradise Valley, MT
Member since Dec 2009
20231 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 2:27 pm to
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We, unlike every other place on this earth, were founded to be a nation without tyranny.
well, it failed. We are an overtaxed prison state with extensive, obtrusive surveillance and policing apparatus that violates multiple amendments routinely. Hell, the 2nd is violated every single day, as is the 1st, 4th, 5th,and 10th.

That's not even touching on the tyranny we export abroad.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 2:28 pm
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