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re: 25th anniversary of waco
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:24 pm to lsu1919
Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:24 pm to lsu1919
I mentioned this in another thread but the last episode of the mini-series "Waco" comes on tonight, on Paramount.
Not sure how accurate the series is..In terms of how they portray David Koresh, but the series doesn't make you sympathize with the federal government at all.
While most people probably don't agree with what Koresh was doing, he and the members of the Branch Davidians still had constitutional rights.. That was violated.
And they were trying to use Wace to "save face" after they fricked up the Ruby Ridge situation.. And of course, both of these situations led to Timothy Mcveigh's actions.
I was 14 when it happened and at that time, based on what I heard from people talking about it or seeing it on the evening news, Koresh was painted as an insane cult leader who was raping children and holding people hostage. While he might have been a little nuts and "out there", it does seem like the feds wanted the media to portray him in a certain way that was probably not accurate.
Not sure how accurate the series is..In terms of how they portray David Koresh, but the series doesn't make you sympathize with the federal government at all.
While most people probably don't agree with what Koresh was doing, he and the members of the Branch Davidians still had constitutional rights.. That was violated.
And they were trying to use Wace to "save face" after they fricked up the Ruby Ridge situation.. And of course, both of these situations led to Timothy Mcveigh's actions.
I was 14 when it happened and at that time, based on what I heard from people talking about it or seeing it on the evening news, Koresh was painted as an insane cult leader who was raping children and holding people hostage. While he might have been a little nuts and "out there", it does seem like the feds wanted the media to portray him in a certain way that was probably not accurate.
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 1:39 pm to OweO
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Not sure how accurate the series is
It's based on accounts from the chief FBI negotiator and the guy Thibideau on the inside. They both seem to be satisfied that the series portrayed it accurately from their perspective viewpoints.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:10 pm to OweO
The Paramount Waco series actually makes David seem like a nice guy imo. Paints the feds in an awful light, which it should have. There was no reason for 80 people to die and for the feds to bring fricking tanks in. It was ridiculous.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:19 pm to OweO
I have explained this before on this board. Everyone cites the “could have arrested Koresh at the grocery store” thing as the reason things went sideways. Here is why that wouldn’t have worked. The ATF had an arrest warrant AND A SEARCH WARRANT for the compound. They had to go out there one way or the other. The Davidians had a stockpile of illegal machine guns and hand grenades. It wasn’t like they were going to leave those cult members out there with that stuff. It was believed that if they arrested Koresh off site the members would likely either commit mass suicide (as they did with the fire) or go ballistic and possibly enter town with the weapons to “rescue” Koresh.
So, since they had to arrest him and seize the weapons, why not do it all at once? The entire raid was based on surprise, which they lost through a series of blunders, and arresting him off site would have alerted the compound. It was known that all the men worked in the fields during the day and the weapons were all locked in a second story armory. The plan called for pulling the cattle trailers between the men in the fields and the compound and then seizing the armory. As it turned out, the Davidians were alerted and the men were all in the compound and armed when the ATF arrived.
As for using the tanks during the siege, the Davidians has a fricking .50 caliber M2 machine gun. The only thing with armor that could stand up to it were the tank recovery vehicles. FWIW, they used the tank recovery vehicles and not the actual tank with the cannon on it. The recovery vehicle is the same bottom but has a big crane on the turret.
So, since they had to arrest him and seize the weapons, why not do it all at once? The entire raid was based on surprise, which they lost through a series of blunders, and arresting him off site would have alerted the compound. It was known that all the men worked in the fields during the day and the weapons were all locked in a second story armory. The plan called for pulling the cattle trailers between the men in the fields and the compound and then seizing the armory. As it turned out, the Davidians were alerted and the men were all in the compound and armed when the ATF arrived.
As for using the tanks during the siege, the Davidians has a fricking .50 caliber M2 machine gun. The only thing with armor that could stand up to it were the tank recovery vehicles. FWIW, they used the tank recovery vehicles and not the actual tank with the cannon on it. The recovery vehicle is the same bottom but has a big crane on the turret.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 2:23 pm
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