re: How one can even start to discuss this shooting w/o accepting the following FACTS?

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most people aren't going to go through the trouble of making bombs, etc. and still kill at the same frequency as they do with guns

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ridiculous statement. ar 15's are readily available. take that away and people are going to turn to whatever else they can make happen.

or just keep being naive.

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it'll happen, but not nearly as often

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unsupported assertion

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people use guns because they want to be feared, be seen, and they want to escape or kill themselves.

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you're still looking downstream.

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when was the last time you heard of mass pipe/pressure cooker bombings in countries with fewer guns?

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post hoc ergo, propter hoc

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most european countries allow guns with strict regulations. none of those countries are being bombarded with homemade explosives on a daily basis. that argument is asinine.

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again, not comparing apples to apples. we're not talking about europe. we're talking about america. they have TOTALLY different social dynamics.

regardless, you're still wrong