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re: Can someone please justify why Orgeron kicked the FG against ND?
Posted on 1/29/18 at 3:49 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 1/29/18 at 3:49 pm to Goldrush25
quote:All of this is spot on
I don't take what coaches are conditioned to do as evidence that it's the right thing to do.
What Orgeron did was by the book, the traditional method of coaching. I'm saying many coaches haven't caught up to what the numbers have been saying for years now, that the book is wrong. The rate at which teams go for it on 4th and short is ridiculously low, something like 20%, when the odds of converting that is around 65%. That's insane that teams aren't already going for it at that down and distance at a 50% clip, minimum. The fact that the distance of the play in question was inches makes the decision even more egregious.
That's not basing a decision on sound evidence. It's assigning an inordinate amount of weight to the negative outcome, which will happen sometimes. But you cannot coach to avoid negative outcomes or you won't ever win anything of significance.
But to be fair to Orgeron, there's value in going by the book. That's what old people(his bosses) find comfort in. Explaining a loss in which you did things by the book like most other coaches in the past have done is much easier to do than losing when you decided to buck convention.
Years back, Bill belichick went for it on 4th and like 4 from his own 3o yard line when he had the lead late in the 4th against Manning and the colts
They failed to get it, manning led them on the winning drive, and the media hammered belichick
Well, a few days later, someone ran the numbers, and going for it on 4th actually gave them the best % chance of winning.........
Sometimes, making the poular decision is easier, even if it is the wrong one
Posted on 1/29/18 at 7:22 pm to lsupride87
I remember that Colts/Pats game - always thought he was right to let Brady try to pick up a few yards and possibly keep it out of Manning's hands. He played to the strength of his team.
In our case, yes I would have gone for it and I agree that more could go right from going (the kick was far from a sure thing and he almost missed it.)
However I can understand the counter argument of giving the strength of your team a lead with under 2 minutes. But I don't think the chances of making the FG and the TD were much different, and the TD had a much bigger payoff.
In our case, yes I would have gone for it and I agree that more could go right from going (the kick was far from a sure thing and he almost missed it.)
However I can understand the counter argument of giving the strength of your team a lead with under 2 minutes. But I don't think the chances of making the FG and the TD were much different, and the TD had a much bigger payoff.
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