re: Grammy's....who has real talent in your opinion?

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You could say this on the surface level of any genre of music.

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True - but back to my point - let's take a popular example "hair metal" a passing phase that lasted about a decade - dominating airways of the 1980s, taking advantage of MTV's visual element to push a cartoonish vision of hard rock mixed with pop melodies and hooks.

But, man, most of those guys could play. So, it was well done rubbish. Like the early days of hip-hip/rap - I never really warmed up to the genre (surprise, right?), but I found things to like. Dre, in particular, must have had similar taste in rock, R&B, funk and soul as I did growing up because I find the guys he was working with/associated with very listenable, plus his own stuff - particularly his solo work right after NWA (and even some of their songs) - primarily The Chronic, "some" of Marshall's stuff and "some" of Snoop's stuff. Plus, Tupac and then occasionally I will hear something I like - and some examples are Kendrick Lamar and Childish Gambino for cats who are more current.

I never liked Jay-Z (that one song he did with Beyoncé was aight) - I never liked Kanye.

So, that makes me a racist according to some.