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re: Why can’t people admit that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist?

Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:19 am to
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 1:19 am to
People can believe what they like about Mandela, but it is clear from reading the speech that the ANC took up arms very reluctantly. Mandela actually had quite a bit of foresight. Here he says:

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The avoidance of civil war had dominated our thinking for many years, but when we decided to adopt sabotage as part of our policy, we realised that we might one day have to face the prospect of such a war. This had to be taken into account in formulating our plans. We required a plan which was flexible, and which permitted us to act in accordance with the needs of the times; above all, the plan had to be one which recognized civil war as the last resort, and left the decision on this question to the future. We did not want to be committed to civil war, but we wanted to be ready if it became inevitable.

Four forms of violence are possible. There is sabotage, there is guerrilla warfare, there is terrorism, and there is open revolution. We chose to adopt the first method and to test it fully before taking any other decision.

n the light of our political background the choice was a logical one. Sabotage did not involve loss of life, and it offered the best hope for future race relations. Bitterness would be kept to a minimum and, if the policy bore fruit, democratic government could become a reality. This is what we felt at the time, and this is what we said in our Manifesto, Exhibit AD, I quote:

"We of Umkhonto we Sizwe have always sought to achieve liberation without bloodshed and civil clash. We hope, even at this late hour, that our first actions will awaken everyone to a realisation of the disastrous situation to which Nationalist policy is leading. We hope that we will bring the Government and its supporters to their senses before it is too late, so that both the Government and its policies can be changed before matters reach the desperate state of civil war", unquote




Their initial plan was to sabotage government buildings and infrastructure in the hopes that the the reprisals would turn the tide in the international community, and they chose sabotage with the specific purpose of avoiding a bloody civil war. In that regard, the militant wing of the ANC was successful, as there have been countless situations in history where oppressed people took up arms and fought a bloody war.

When Mandela finally came to power, he wanted to ensure that the white people of the country wouldn't be chased away, which is why he included members of the National Party in key positions in his cabinet, and his reconciliation efforts helped to avoid more political violence. I don't think you will find a more masterful job of the transfer of power in modern history, especially during the post-colonial history.

Also in case someone accuses him of being a communist, and writing him off completely, here is what he said in 1961 about communism:

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Another of the allegations made by the State is that the aims and objects of the ANC and the Communist Party are the same. I wish to deal with this and with my own political position. The allegation as to the ANC is false. This is an old allegation which was disproved at the Treason Trial, and which has again reared its head. But since the allegation had been made again I shall deal with it as well as with the relationship between the ANC and the Communist Party and Umkhonto and that Party.

The ideological creed of the ANC is, and always has been, the creed of African Nationalism. It is not the concept of African Nationalism expressed in the cry, 'Drive the White man into the sea'. The African Nationalism for which the ANC stands is the concept of freedom and fulfilment for the African people in their own land. The most important political document ever adopted by the ANC is the Freedom Charter. It is by no means a blueprint for a socialist state. It calls for redistribution, but not nationalisation, of land; it provides for nationalisation of mines, banks, and monopoly industry, because monopolies, big monopolies are owned by one race only, and without such nationalisation racial domination would be perpetuated despite the spread of political power. It would be a hollow gesture to repeal the Gold Law prohibitions against Africans when all gold mines are owned by European companies. In this respect the ANC's policy corresponds with the old policy of the present Nationalist Party which, for many years, had as part of its programme the nationalisation of the gold mines which, at that time, were controlled by foreign capital. Under the Freedom Charter, nationalisation would take place in an economy based on private enterprise. The realisation of the Freedom Charter would open up fresh fields for a prosperous African population of all classes, including the middle class. The ANC has never at any period of its history advocated a revolutionary change in the economic structure of the country, nor has it, to the best of my recollection, ever condemned capitalist society.

As far as the Communist Party is concerned, and if I understand its policy correctly, it stands for the establishment of a State based on the principles of Marxism. Although it is prepared to work for the Freedom Charter, as a short term solution to the problems created by white supremacy, it regards the Freedom Charter as the beginning, and not the end, of its programme.

The ANC, unlike the Communist Party, admitted Africans only as members. Its chief goal was, and is, for the African people to win unity and full political rights. The Communist Party's main aim, on the other hand, was to remove the capitalists and to replace them with a working-class government. The Communist Party sought to emphasise class distinctions whilst the ANC seeks to harmonise them. This is, My Lord, a vital distinction.

It is true that there has often been close co-operation between the ANC and the Communist Party. But co-operation is merely proof of a common goal - in this case the removal of white supremacy - and is not proof of a complete community of interests.

My Lord, the history of the world is full of similar examples. Perhaps the most striking illustration is to be found in the co-operation between Great Britain, the United States of America, and the Soviet Union in the fight against Hitler. Nobody but Hitler would have dared to suggest that such co-operation turned Churchill or Roosevelt into communists or communist tools, or that Britain and America were working to bring about a communist world.

My Lord, I give these illustrations because they are relevant to the allegation that our sabotage was a communist plot or the work of so-called agitators. Because, My Lord, another instance of such co-operation is to be found precisely in Umkhonto. Shortly after Umkhonto was constituted, I was informed by some of its members that the Communist Party would support Umkhonto, and this then occurred. At a later stage the support was made openly.




Again, history, actual lived history, shouldn't be distilled to a meme. It is complicated, messy, and many times so morally ambiguous that discussing it without a deep knowledge of the events, the context, and why groups of people acted they way they did, will almost ensure silly and hasty generalizations which are couched in emotions, rather than facts. The zeitgeist of this era seems to promote the emotive response rather than the reasonable, and my only hope is that people actually read the speech (or listen to the audio of it) because Mandela comes off as someone who is deeply thoughtful of the actions of his organization, and the potential consequences of those actions.


This post was edited on 1/16/18 at 1:25 am
Posted by bamagreycoat
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 1/16/18 at 3:04 am to
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crazy4lsu


You made some very good posts in this thread and I learned a lot of information that I did not know. Thank you sir.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27479 posts
Posted on 1/16/18 at 5:57 am to
As bad as it was, it isn't all that great now either.
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