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re: Holder issues a second warning to Trump

Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:41 pm to
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 8:41 pm to
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So where was your moral outrage for the Yemen raid by Trump? 

There wasn't outrage because it was expected. The political establishment of both parties is completely beholden to a subset of intelligence and military officers whose belief in military interventionism and its secondary policies is akin to religious fundamentalism. I had no doubt that Trump would continue the policies Bush began and Obama continued, if only to try and appease the GOP establishment in order to get support for the bulk of his agenda. That's precisely why I did not vote for him.

Say what you want about Obama, but he was elected to end the Bush excesses that were associated with the War on Terror and War in Iraq. I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008 GOP Primary, but I was hopeful that Obama would be as anti-war as Dr. Paul. I actually believed Obama would rein in many of the policies of the Bush administration when it came to civil liberties. Obama's rhetoric of hope and change was an illusion, as his administration expanded the Bush-era policies that I found odious. Despite this, he is viewed as some sort of humanitarian. It's that hypocrisy that I despise.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 8:45 pm
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 12/17/17 at 9:00 pm to
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Say what you want about Obama, but he was elected to end the Bush excesses that were associated with the War on Terror and War in Iraq. I voted for Ron Paul in the 2008 GOP Primary, but I was hopeful that Obama would be as anti-war as Dr. Paul. I actually believed Obama would rein in many of the policies of the Bush administration when it came to civil liberties. Obama's rhetoric of hope and change was an illusion, as his administration expanded the Bush-era policies that I found odious. Despite this, he is viewed as some sort of humanitarian. It's that hypocrisy that I despise.



I mean lets not re-write history. He campaigned on a de-escalation in Iraq and a re-focus on Afghanistan, with white papers on his website and in his policy book at the time of the campaign about a mini surge in Afghanistan and a need to maintain our hegemonic responsibilities on the global stage. He just took a harder line against the sort of garden theory of foreign policy neocons of the time were trying to spread. If you were under some other set of expectations it really just says you didn't dig deep enough. No offense.

But again I think we get back to the double standards. Trump has likewise made many harsh claims against Obama and his drone strikes and campaigned with signals of his desire to be less interventionist and he, by every metric, has gone further than Obama on this issue.

Just look at that article I linked you where Trump is not only seeking to escalate drone strikes in Yemen, he is trying to craft an over-riding set of guidelines to drop the Obama administration's attempts to curb civilian deaths stemming directly from issues like your meme improperly charecterizes.

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The White House also is drafting a new written policy on counterterrorist operations outside of war zones that would supercede the so-called drone playbook that the Obama administration had hoped would govern the decisions of future presidents, several officials said.

The drone playbook, known as the Presidential Policy Guidance, or PPG, includes a provision that no strike should go forward unless analysts determine that there is a near-certainty that no civilians will be harmed. And it includes a provision forbidding the addition of new detainees to the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The Trump administration is contemplating removing both of those restrictions, officials involved in the planning told NBC News.

These developments concern human rights activists, who argue that the CIA is less accountable than the military.


By any objective account Trump has been far more egregious and reckless in the advancement of those policies. This last line isnt necessarily directed at you, but if you are the type of person that wants to throw shame at Obama for the death of the 16 year old American, and have not made one post of outrage toward Trump's intentions and directives on intensifying and removing layers of accountability to try and curb the sort of collateral damage that took that brother and sister under two administrations, you are acting at the height of partisan hypocrisy.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 9:14 pm
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