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re: Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi Discussion Thread ***SPOILERS***
Posted on 1/18/18 at 7:35 pm to Breesus
Posted on 1/18/18 at 7:35 pm to Breesus
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Think about the amazing holy frick moment if we had an entire first movie exploring that solar system and building up Hux and Ren and Snoke on the outer system.
Then they made TFA.
You get everyone invested and liking the new republic and then you bring down the theater when Starkiller Base wipes that entire system out.
Instead, we never even saw much less cared about that place and it was a tiny explosion in the sky and then the movie moved on and never talked about it again.
absolutely this
unless they plan to have the next episode to do like the original SW movie did with a new hope and with this shite they could go back in time before TLJ to do exactly as you just said and lay out the whole thing for us so TLJ can finally at least make sense if not still be the worst directed SW movie ever, it would at least salvage it to some degree along the lines of TFA where we can ignore how bad it was as long as it fills in the story line properly.
they better also damn well explain how rhen is a more powerful jedi then even luke is without even knowing how to use the force
i really doubt this is what they have in mind for the 2nd disney SW episode, but i hope they realize this is what they must do to keep SW fans coming back, otherwise there will be many empty seats at the next release and the 3rd disney SW episode will have to be scrapped and not even released
This post was edited on 1/18/18 at 10:20 pm
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Posted on 1/19/18 at 2:43 am to keakar
So, let's analyze this, and see what they may intend to do:
In the OT, the first movie was lots of spectacular fun and adventure. Lots of daring, good guys prevail. Old mentor for the hero dies at the hand of the villain (who really isn't the villain, but the key redemption later on).
Sequel trilogy- check.
OT, second movie- darker, more desperate, Rebels get beaten and have to escape; Luke has to learn from the Jedi master (but doesn't, really- the key is he made that journey. He CHOSE to be a Jedi). He faces his nemesis and fails, his supporting cast are in disarray and in danger. Han is encased in carbonite and sent to Jabba.
Sequel, second movie- if anything, the plight is even worse for the Resistance. They don't escape, they can't get away this time. Rey also makes the journey to learn from the Jedi master, and Rey also leaves without gaining much from him... but as Yoda tells Luke, she already has what she needed. She also has made the choice. She faces her nemesis and... fails? He chose to kill Snoke instead of Rey, but he didn't turn.
Supporting cast? Poe is chastised, Finn is lectured to. I GUESS you could say the fate of the galaxy rests in their hands.
OT finale- Luke returns in full Jedi mode, quickly saves Han from Jabba. The Rebels make a daring move to end the war, attacking the new Death Star and hoping to kill the Emperor. Luke goes to redeem Vader. The Rebels fail, but Luke succeeds, and in doing so, he tips the battle back into the Rebels' hands. Oh, and the Rebels don't really fail, they regroup with the help of unlikely allies to bring down the shield. Luke's faith in his friends (Palpatine's insult that is his weakness) is well-placed and rewarded.
Sequel finale-???
Rey is, I suspect, going to emerge as a full Jedi, or something close to it.
Are they going to tweak the storyline, or follow it?
Will there be a greater villain than Kylo Ren, to defeat and redeem him, or will they skip one or both parts? Does she redeem him, or defeat him? Who can she save from imminent death- the entire resistance?
Will she dispatch Rose and save Finn?
What desperate mission will they undertake to resolve the conflict and end the First Order, and will they split up to attempt this (as they did in the OT)?
Harrison Ford wanted Han to die, as the reluctant member who'd played his part and his story was over. Will they honor that, and kill Finn, the reluctant member this time (they had the chance to do so in TLJ and skipped it).
I think it will follow some of the pattern, but they might tweak things off some. Right now, we have the equivalent of Vader killing Palpatine in ESB and taking over the Empire... how does that play out for ROTJ? I guess you redeem Ren by turning him, so that he destroys the First Order himself, and dies in the process. Will he do that to save Rey?
In the OT, the first movie was lots of spectacular fun and adventure. Lots of daring, good guys prevail. Old mentor for the hero dies at the hand of the villain (who really isn't the villain, but the key redemption later on).
Sequel trilogy- check.
OT, second movie- darker, more desperate, Rebels get beaten and have to escape; Luke has to learn from the Jedi master (but doesn't, really- the key is he made that journey. He CHOSE to be a Jedi). He faces his nemesis and fails, his supporting cast are in disarray and in danger. Han is encased in carbonite and sent to Jabba.
Sequel, second movie- if anything, the plight is even worse for the Resistance. They don't escape, they can't get away this time. Rey also makes the journey to learn from the Jedi master, and Rey also leaves without gaining much from him... but as Yoda tells Luke, she already has what she needed. She also has made the choice. She faces her nemesis and... fails? He chose to kill Snoke instead of Rey, but he didn't turn.
Supporting cast? Poe is chastised, Finn is lectured to. I GUESS you could say the fate of the galaxy rests in their hands.
OT finale- Luke returns in full Jedi mode, quickly saves Han from Jabba. The Rebels make a daring move to end the war, attacking the new Death Star and hoping to kill the Emperor. Luke goes to redeem Vader. The Rebels fail, but Luke succeeds, and in doing so, he tips the battle back into the Rebels' hands. Oh, and the Rebels don't really fail, they regroup with the help of unlikely allies to bring down the shield. Luke's faith in his friends (Palpatine's insult that is his weakness) is well-placed and rewarded.
Sequel finale-???
Rey is, I suspect, going to emerge as a full Jedi, or something close to it.
Are they going to tweak the storyline, or follow it?
Will there be a greater villain than Kylo Ren, to defeat and redeem him, or will they skip one or both parts? Does she redeem him, or defeat him? Who can she save from imminent death- the entire resistance?
Will she dispatch Rose and save Finn?
What desperate mission will they undertake to resolve the conflict and end the First Order, and will they split up to attempt this (as they did in the OT)?
Harrison Ford wanted Han to die, as the reluctant member who'd played his part and his story was over. Will they honor that, and kill Finn, the reluctant member this time (they had the chance to do so in TLJ and skipped it).
I think it will follow some of the pattern, but they might tweak things off some. Right now, we have the equivalent of Vader killing Palpatine in ESB and taking over the Empire... how does that play out for ROTJ? I guess you redeem Ren by turning him, so that he destroys the First Order himself, and dies in the process. Will he do that to save Rey?
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