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For those who don’t believe refs can be bias or corrupt

Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:37 am
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:37 am
Obviously not SEC fans. Here is a book by a former NBA official telling about inside bets, bias, corruption etc. why would the NFL be any different LINK
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:48 am to
anybody that thinks fixes arent still around are being naive.

this had all the makings of it
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49479 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:48 am to
I know they can, I watched the game.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 12:48 am to
can they fix the next one for us?
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
31816 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:10 am to
Read a book called ‘The Fix is In’. It doesn’t say for sure that professional sports are fixed, just points out that professional leagues are all about money and describes ways in which the leagues influence scenarios which create the drama that keeps fans tuned in to the sport. In the end, it’s about TV ratings and they’ll do whatever they have to in order Ron ensure that millions of eyes are on the tv for each and every game. Maybe not fixed entirely, but they want certain outcomes and will do whatever it takes to create them. The book focuses on pro sports but has no doubt spread to college in the last two decades as money has poured into that industry. Very interesting and historical book on the subject.
Posted by Randazzo
Metairie, LA
Member since Sep 2004
12380 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:26 am to
Tonight showcased an officiating crew that’s near the top in the “most flags thrown” category for the season. I believe they’re #2 in that category??? (At least according to Saints postgame radio)

9 first downs out of 26 for the Falcons coming off of penalties??? BULLCRAP!
Posted by d2
NC
Member since Jan 2009
463 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:23 am to
We had a defensive lineman flagged for holding, on a run play. How is that possible?

I have watched football for 40 yrs, and I can't recall that ever being called.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
20538 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:33 am to
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We had a defensive lineman flagged for holding, on a run play. How is that possible?



It's extremely rare, but it happens occasionally. Sorta like how when the ball is thrown, both the receiver and the DB have the same rights and rules to make a catch without interference. Though the receiver gets called for "illegal touching" interference much rarer than the DB.

Both offensive and defensive linemen have the right to move about the field without being held. You can "lock up" the other lineman, which is why offensive linemen are taught to get their hands into the middle of the DL's shoulder pads at the chest area. But if the DL pulls away, the OL can't grab or tackle the DL as they move about the field.

Same thing with a DL. If an OL doesn't try to block you and is going somewhere else, the DL can't grab or tackle the OL as he moves about the field. This might happen if a DL is trying to prevent an OL from blocking a linebacker to keep the linebacker free to make a tackle.

Thing is, it's called so rarely and happens so rarely that it has to be a blatant display of holding. Usually when it's called, you get a replay of a DL tackling the shite out of an OL that slipped past the line of scrimmage. But we never got that last night. Never saw the DL holding infraction.

Last night was a terrible display of officiating. I don't think it's possible for a ref crew to "fix" a game, but I do think they can make it damn hard for one team to win. Keep a few rare calls in their pocket. Defensive holding, head coach gets too rowdy, extra picky on where players are lined up to be considered "on the line of scrimmage." They're easy calls to throw to influence a game, and it looked damn sure like that's what happened last night.
Posted by auzach91
Marietta, GA
Member since Jan 2009
41236 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:38 am to
well duh...how else do you explain the saints winning a super bowl?
Posted by d2
NC
Member since Jan 2009
463 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:40 am to
Thank you for explaining that call, I was dumbfounded by it last night. I kinda thought the d-lines job was to eat up the blocks anyway you can haha.
Posted by Lexman1
Central Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2002 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:52 am to
I actually used to referee basketball games and can tell you from experience that if someone pissed me off during a game, they would pay a price for it. It’s just human nature. That said, the defensive holding calls looked legit for the most part. However, the roughing the passer penalty on Rankins was a joke. At one point, there was a flag thrown on virtually every play. Yes, refs can determine the outcome of a game, if they so choose.
Posted by RockChalkTiger
A Little Bit South of Saskatoon
Member since May 2009
11050 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:26 am to
quote:

they want certain outcomes and will do whatever it takes to create them

Bama to the playoff?
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
19157 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 7:40 am to
There is holding on every play in the NFL. I have no problem with a tightly called game, just be consistent.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:21 pm to
I was A ref in past life too. I remember making a bad call once, realized it, then decided I was probably right and just sticking with it basically because didn’t want to pick up the flag. It happens every day
Posted by Lexman1
Central Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2002 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:51 pm to
I was thinking the same exact thing. Who the hell was he holding and why would he be holding instead of trying to chase down the RB? Completely obvious!
Posted by Gtothemoney
Da North Shore
Member since Sep 2012
17722 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 9:46 pm to
IT got to a point that the refs shoulda thrown the flag before the play started and figured out after which Saint they wanted to call it on after.
Posted by bayouboy318
Natchitoches, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2016
377 posts
Posted on 12/8/17 at 10:08 pm to
From start to finish the refs were out to win this game. I applaud CSP for speaking up, and he hasn't shut up yet. Our defense played outstanding and the refs gave the Falcons 9 first downs. I've seen some very questionable calls over the years, but I never watched a game like this. Not as Saints fan, but a fan of football, these refs need to be investigated. They were clearly crooked.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31886 posts
Posted on 12/10/17 at 8:49 am to
Roger has been going in dry on the Saints for years. If Benson's brain wasn't scrambled he should have been next to Jerrah trying to block giving that a-hole an extension. And Roger celebrated his good news by pleasuring himself by throwing Blank a bone and screwing us over again. Anyone that doesn't think that game was fixed obviously didn't watch it.
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