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I'm uninterested in whatever dumb choice you're trying to force me into in some unremarkable defense of Trump (who isn't under attack by me in this thread).

I'm glad you recognize that the choice I was giving you was empty (and not truly meant). My point in adding it was to highlight exactly what the news media was doing with the Trump Dossier.

CNN, especially, was 24/7 pounding it's viewers with 2 empty choices: The Trump Dossier is all fabricated and made up, or it is all valid and real. And their talking heads made no effort to hide which choice they wanted its viewers to make.

After months and months of CNN reporting about how inferior and such a bad guy Trump is -- what impact did that dossier and CNN giving its viewers such an empty choice have?

It did exactly what every successful propaganda machine does -- It gave the people that already disliked Trump a "valid" reason to dislike him even more.

And for the record, I'm bashing CNN here, but they are not the only network guilty of pushing the agenda.

Also, none of my statements are in defense of Trump. You implied that the dossier was news worthy even-though it is bullshite and had not been verified by anyone. You also implied that the discussion of bullshite had no negative impact on Trump.

I obviously have a differing opinion.

ETA: "that's a lot of mad text"... look, I am able to think coherently and communicate in complete sentences. I also am capable of typing very fast. I don't consider any of these capabilities as making me mad.

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Posted on 11/15/17 at 10:33 pm to Floating Change Up

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Also, none of my statements are in defense of Trump. You implied that the dossier was news worthy even-though it is bullshite and had not been verified by anyone. You also implied that the discussion of bullshite had no negative impact on Trump.

I obviously have a differing opinion.

My starting position is that I remember CNN "reluctantly" releasing the dossier's content. You can call that reluctance theater, and I might agree. I do not recall considerable energy devoted by CNN (or anyone else) toward convincing the American people that the content should be deemed credible. The one partial exception to that would be the meetings, which media outlets sought to verify/debunk.

I respect the position, as stated previously, that the dossier wasn't newsworthy. But I disagree, particularly with the benefit of hindsight. If the end here is to point out media hypocrisy, then we're at least partially aligned. My argument is that the dossier is regularly used to support that position (media hypocrisy) in a way that I do not find to be very truthful.

I think it does no good to gloss over the truth or exaggerate when trying to point out similar flaws in the media, and that is what I'm contesting in threads like these. It's not a defense of the media, it's my small rebellion against knee jerk reactions, false dichotomies, etc.

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