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re: Breaking news on Fusion hearing today
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:01 pm to Bard
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:01 pm to Bard
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Fact: What they did was pull a Glenn Beck and present it as "we don't know if these things are real but we think you should know they are out there and what they are so we're going to repeat them over and over as if they were".
If you want a real discussion of this:
The dossier is newsworthy. Now, whether it was when Buzzfeed released it is a different matter. But for example, if we knew the dossier existed today but hadn't seen it, would it be newsworthy to release? I say yes. It was at least some portion of the basis for an investigation of POTUS, and it was bought to disparage by the opposition to disparage the campaign.
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Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:01 pm to Pettifogger
Tapper has been worsening lately but i doubt he presented that as claimed. But I'll look if you can show me
LINK
I mean it's the headline of the article with his name attached.
LINK
I mean it's the headline of the article with his name attached.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:02 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Jake Tapper reported on the existence of the dossier knowing full well that it was a complete fabrication
I'm not sure he knows this now
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:03 pm to Seldom Seen
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Nothing will every come of it with Sessions though.
You are absolutely correct, and that fact makes me absolutely sick to my stomach.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:04 pm to Pettifogger
quote:No. It’s not and it wasn’t. Otherwise we would have seen reports of false dossiers that have without a doubt been compiled on every presidential candidate over the past 50 years. We haven’t so that leads me to believe that the only reason we saw this one is because of the media’s disdain for Trump.
The dossier is newsworthy.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:04 pm to Turbeauxdog
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I mean it's the headline of the article with his name attached.
Please tell me which parts of that article you find objectionable?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:06 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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No. It’s not and it wasn’t. Otherwise we would have seen reports of false dossiers that have without a doubt been compiled on every presidential candidate over the past 50 years. We haven’t so that leads me to believe that the only reason we saw this one is because of the media’s disdain for Trump.
You can't argue it's the basis for a federal investigation targeting POTUS and associates, that it represents criminal activity of his opponent, and simultaneously claim it isn't newsworthy.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:07 pm to Pettifogger
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Please tell me which parts of that article you find objectionable
I like that you've already pivoted from he didn't claim that, to what's objectionable about it.
But to answer your question, I find it objectionable that anyone who read it could think trump could be leveraged by it. I mean it was a laughing stock as soon as it was released.
So as I said, either tapper was complicit in reporting unbelievable horse shite because he thought it would hurt trump, or he's a moron for believing it could.
Your choice petti.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:08 pm to Pettifogger
quote:He doesn’t know that it’s fake? Well I’m sorry but if part of your dossier is that Trump has golden shower orgies in Russian hotel rooms and that video may exist then I’m throwing everything in your dossier out the window. I won’t even entertain the idea that any of it could be true after that bullshite. No reasonable person should.
I'm not sure he knows this now
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
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I like that you've already pivoted from he didn't claim that, to what's objectionable about it.
listen you dishonest doofus, you claimed that it was being used as leverage against Trump, per Tapper. The article you posted claims that someone else said it could be used in that way, it doesn't say anything about what Tapper believes.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:12 pm to Pettifogger
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simultaneously claim it isn't newsworthy
Who is?
The reporting is dishonest, not unnecessary.
If the article I posted had the headline "Clinton team sponsored absurd oppo research to fabricate Russian collusion narrative" we'd be having a different conversation.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:13 pm to Pettifogger
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listen you dishonest doofus, you claimed that it was being used as leverage against Trump, per Tapper. The article you posted claims that someone else said it could be used in that way, it doesn't say anything about what Tapper believes
So you're going with moron for tapper?
A more serious answer. When a journalist uses a source, he's hanging his reputation on the validity of his sources. A journalist doesn't get to hid behind their sources when their sources are liars.
If a source told hannity that disgraced former president obama blew 75 dudes in the Oval Office one night, and he reported it, you wouldn't criticize him for reporting it because he prefaced it with "sources tell Fox News"
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 8:16 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:14 pm to Turbeauxdog
quote:I am. When it was reported on no one knew it was the basis of an investigation. It was reported on because it was leaked that the Intelligence Community had briefed Trump on its existence. Which isn’t newsworthy, or at leas it hasn’t been newsworthy for every other president in history.
Who is?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:15 pm to Turbeauxdog
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So you're going with moron for tapper?
You've yet to point out a single thing in the CNN article that was false. I very honestly do not understand what bothers you about it. How does the underlying untruths of the dossier even bear on the article?
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:16 pm to Pettifogger
quote:That’s why’ve tapper is one of the worst out there. He’s managed to convince people he has some sort of journalistic integrity when this episode proves the opposite.
The article you posted claims that someone else said it could be used in that way, it doesn't say anything about what Tapper believes
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:17 pm to Pettifogger
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The dossier is newsworthy.
I agree. The manner it was released is exactly what I phrased above and what I have a problem with.
Mother Jones
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And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him.
While they don't come out and say "it's all factual", you'll notice they also don't say anything about the allegations not being corroborated.
This is just an example of why we have people posting on this forum that will swear up and down that not only do they believe the dossier is legit but that it's already been completely verified.
This post was edited on 11/15/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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managed to convince people he has some sort of journalistic integrity
Not smart people
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:19 pm to Pettifogger
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ou've yet to point out a single thing in the CNN article that was false
That anyone believed it could be used in efforts to compromise him.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:31 pm to Turbeauxdog
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That anyone believed it could be used in efforts to compromise him.
Can you refute that IC people made those claims, though? That's what I'm asking
I just cannot see how you're pinning that part on Tapper unless it's untrue, and I have no reason to think it is.
Posted on 11/15/17 at 8:33 pm to Pettifogger
quote:The IC briefing the president elect on foreign produced opposition research isn’t news.
Can you refute that IC people made those claims, though? That's what I'm asking
I just cannot see how you're pinning that part on Tapper unless it's untrue, and I have no reason to think it is.
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