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re: Strategies that football coaches should do but never do

Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:14 pm to
They should go for it on 4th down much more often than they do, especially 4th and short.

Simple math when figure that the average yards per play is 5 yards. There are absolutely some situations where failing to convert would hurt you more than converting would help you. Overall though, teams are too fearful of the negative outcome to the point where they coach sub optimally.

Some coach will come along in the near future and he'll for it on 4th down at about a 50% clip, he'll be successful and it'll change the game.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:16 pm to
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Some coach will come along in the near future and he'll for it on 4th down at about a 50% clip, he'll be successful and it'll change the game.

And old people will complain about how it was better back in their day.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 12:32 pm to
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They should go for it on 4th down much more often than they do, especially 4th and short.


Agree with that. There was actually a good HBO Real Sports segment on a high school coach that never punts I believe they had a stats guy run the numbers and the results showed that coaches should be a little more bold on 4th Down.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/25/17 at 2:02 pm to
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Some coach will come along in the near future and he'll for it on 4th down at about a 50% clip, he'll be successful and it'll change the game.


His name was Mike Leach.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 5:22 pm to
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They should go for it on 4th down much more often than they do, especially 4th and short.

Simple math when figure that the average yards per play is 5 yards. There are absolutely some situations where failing to convert would hurt you more than converting would help you. Overall though, teams are too fearful of the negative outcome to the point where they coach sub optimally.


This is especially true in this age of offensive football, where 30-35 yards of field position isn't that big a deal, even if you don't convert on 4th down. A possession is worth way more than 30-35 yards of field position.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37857 posts
Posted on 9/26/17 at 10:51 am to
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They should go for it on 4th down much more often than they do, especially 4th and short.


There was a Freakonomics episode about this.

They said you should never, ever punt. Don't even have a punter on the team - use that roster spot somewhere else.

When you work on the basis that you have 4 downs to get a first, instead of three, it completely changes your play calling. You work towards having every 4th down be for 5 yards or less... which there is something like a close to 50/50 rate of being able to convert in those situations.
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