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re: Baylor University Survey On Religion: 'Almost No Atheists Voted For Trump'
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:12 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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That's fine. No one is telling anyone not to stick to their fairy tales. The biggest concern is when religion makes special claims of authority, and uses this imagined authority to legislate the lives of others, regardless of belief or lack of the same. That's my biggest issue anyway. Your analogy isn't particularly useful because of that.
Are we in the same Historical Paradigm, DB? As I comprehend the history of our Religious/Political experience (Michelle's desire to "change" it nws
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Are there any of the historically-professed God-given Rights of the which you find undesirable or unjust? Do you believe that Justice is/can be determined by a simple Majority (I.e., "mob rule")? Is it not rational to believe that the Principle of "all people are created equal" (when obviously such is an Empirically-ludicrous assertion) can only be true....IF...such is viewed in the context that what we witness re people's (obvious) inequality can only be relative to the God Paradigm belief that they are on an eternal journey which enables them to one day BECOME equal. By means of an educated and free-willed choice.
If there is no God...if individuals are no more or less valuable (and are mostly detrimental to the health of Nature)...then does not rational common sense, practicality and refined appreciation for the Process demand they (problematic, negative value people) simply be removed? Like a cancer.
Just WHO determines what is or is not THE Authority that can will rule as a Societal instrument for civility, peace, "the pursuit of happiness" and survival and prosperity...absent an Absolute? Me? You? The Majority? Elites? Sounds like a recipe for 'wailing and gnashing of teeth' to me.
My greatest concern is for when there is no belief in Absolute Authority. There are few Ideas that are powerful enough to unite an unequal and envious people; the hope that there is more lives than this one (Religion) for all to become 'equal'...is the only one that holds such power. And that power only exist to the degree that the People believe; otherwise...the 'vacuum'...and the consequences therein. Herding cats.
Time will tell. Kinda like Trump's assertion per Socialism and Venezuela, I suspect. Sounds good...feels good...just don't pan out.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:32 pm to RCDfan1950
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Are we in the same Historical Paradigm, DB? As I comprehend the history of our Religious/Political experience (Michelle's desire to "change" it nws )...I perceive it to have been a Religious-based Principle which most abhors/limits the idea of "authority to legislate the lives of other...".
I don't know. I'm here in reality. You with me?
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Are there any of the historically-professed God-given Rights of the which you find undesirable or unjust?
Those were around long before the Christian god and will remain when that mythology fades.
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Do you believe that Justice is/can be determined by a simple Majority (I.e., "mob rule")?
I stay away from "believing" things. I'd say that it can absolutely be a determination by the majority. The point of contention is how favorable is that and to what extent.
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Is it not rational to believe that the Principle of "all people are created equal" (when obviously such is an Empirically-ludicrous assertion) can only be true....IF...such is viewed in the context that what we witness re people's (obvious) inequality can only be relative to the God Paradigm belief that they are on an eternal journey which enables them to one day BECOME equal. By means of an educated and free-willed choice.
No. That's irrational. All people are not created equal.
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If there is no God...if individuals are no more or less valuable (and are mostly detrimental to the health of Nature)...then does not rational common sense, practicality and refined appreciation for the Process demand they (problematic, negative value people) simply be removed? Like a cancer.
No.
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Just WHO determines what is or is not THE Authority that can will rule as a Societal instrument for civility, peace, "the pursuit of happiness" and survival and prosperity...absent an Absolute? Me? You? The Majority? Elites? Sounds like a recipe for 'wailing and gnashing of teeth' to me.
If you found out your god did not exist, would you instantly become a murderer? A fascist? A pedophile? It's silly to argue that the existence of a god is a requirement based on imaginary authority.
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My greatest concern is for when there is no belief in Absolute Authority. There are few Ideas that are powerful enough to unite an unequal and envious people; the hope that there is more lives than this one (Religion) for all to become 'equal'...is the only one that holds such power. And that power only exist to the degree that the People believe; otherwise...the 'vacuum'...and the consequences therein. Herding cats.
My greatest hope is that we will eventually become a society that has advanced past the point of needing such authority.
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