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re: Why aren't these conservative geniuses talking about repealing the 17th?
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:36 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:36 am to ShortyRob
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TODAY, their vote for governor or state reps really has no bearing on the Senate so, it is a complete non issue in state elections. It would be pretty naïve to assume that if the states chose their senators, WHOM they chose would remain a non-issue in state level elections.
This is how I see it as well. It would be an immediate gain for Republicans, but long-term it would likely balance out. I think more interest in state level elections would be beneficial for all parties involved.
That said, the R's political clout right now started at that local level, prioritizing those elections while the DNC largely ignored them. Putting more value on state level elections would potentially motivate a the D base and level the playing field relatively quickly.
Regardless, it would probably have more chance at success if it weren't being touted on the heels of healthcare failure. It gives it the appearance that it is a means to an end.
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:40 am to 9th life
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This is how I see it as well. It would be an immediate gain for Republicans, but long-term it would likely balance out. I think more interest in state level elections would be beneficial for all parties involved.
That said, the R's political clout right now started at that local level, prioritizing those elections while the DNC largely ignored them. Putting more value on state level elections would potentially motivate a the D base and level the playing field relatively quickly.
Very well said. I think some people here think I'm for it because I want Republicans to have more power, which is incorrect seeing as how I'm not even a Republican or conservative. I simply want Congress to run the way it was intended by the framers.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:42 am to 9th life
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That said, the R's political clout right now started at that local level, prioritizing those elections while the DNC largely ignored them. Putting more value on state level elections would potentially motivate a the D base and level the playing field relatively quickly.
Absolutely valid points. You're doing the right thing in not just assuming politics tomorrow would be similar absent the 17th.
That's actually why I support repealing the 17th.
Some of those supporting in this thread are making absolutely valid points. But, for most of my adult life, I've felt we have one overriding problem in American politics.
Namely. The level of importance people place upon their politicians is completely inverse of what it should be.
I think people should worry MOST about their local politicians, then state, then Federal.
Today, I think if you grabbed 100 people at random anywhere in America, they couldn't even begin to tell you who their state Rep or Senator is. Probably can tell you their Federal Rep/Senator, and they all think we elect a King for President.
You're right. Liberals ran around doing victory laps after electing Obama and got smeared EVERYWHERE else.
That shite would NOT have happened absent the 17th. I don't see liberals having the "we have the Presidency, no big deal" attitude then.
Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:44 am to 9th life
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Regardless, it would probably have more chance at success if it weren't being touted on the heels of healthcare failure. It gives it the appearance that it is a means to an end.
Well, unfortunately, that's probably not even false.
It's like the Democrats bemoaning the electoral college.
shite, it really wasn't THAT long ago when the repealing the EC would have fricked Democrats.
I was pro-EC 30 years ago. I'm pro-EC now. God willing, I'll be pro-EC in 30 years.(Yeah, the atheist used the colloquial phrase God Willing LOL)
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