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re: Obamacare Failure
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:07 pm to back9Tiger
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:07 pm to back9Tiger
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BamaAtl is what we call a Couyon in Louisiana
I have lived here my entire life. That stirred fond memories. I have not heard that word for decades, as I went to school with those of Cajun heritage. If I recall, it essentially means dumbass, correct?
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 4:56 pm to BamaAtl
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The only way it fails is Republican sabotage.
Otherwise, it's performing quite well.
We need to keep Obama care. Getting rid of it and replacing it completely will make things so much worse.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 5:46 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
it's performing quite well
You can say that again.
I'll be pissed if Trump succeeds in taking away my health care
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:26 pm to BamaAtl
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Additionally, if your state didn't expand Medicaid you're stuck funding those you shouldn't be.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:34 pm to StrongSafety
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What's best for you may not be what's best for be country. That's wrong with our country. We look at what best for the country through what's best for us
By that "logic" the people with PECs should sacrifice for the good of their fellow citizens and pay premiums commensurate with their actuarial risk. Sandra Fluke should pay for her own birth control pills so working families can have decent coverage. People with subsidized plans should pay the full price to give the rest of us a break.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:35 pm to tarzana
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I'll be pissed if Trump succeeds in taking away my health care
I understand. I was livid when Obama took away my plan.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 7:37 pm to BamaAtl
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It's not my fault that your news sources lie to you.
Yep, Fox/Breitbart stole all our mail and replaced it with forged letters from our insurers either raising our premiums or cancelling our plans altogether. I fell for of until you, in your infinite wisdom, revealed the truth.
Posted on 7/24/17 at 9:00 pm to BamaAtl
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The plan you're purchasing now has no annual or lifetime cap, EHBs, and other things your previous plan didn't have.
This argument is dumb because the doubled premiums completely destroys the value of the added benefits for the vast majority of the people in the US. Before the ACA, I tailor the "EHBs" to fit my life, but now everyone MUST have everybody else's needs covered in addition to what each individual wants.
So...
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What's best for you may not be what's best for be country. That's wrong with our country. We look at what best for the country through what's best for us
Is out the window with the fact that ACA helps a small percentage of the country. The ACA is bad for the vast majority and is bad for working class individuals who provide their own insurance.
And if you work in healthcare, you know there are most certainly "limits" to coverage.
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A couple in their 60s should realize that they are at risk for serious illness.
Yep, so let's all enjoy the cost of providing care to those at higher risk in their "working" age even before they retire and go on MC and we continue to pay for them. Instead of those individuals buying a plan that may cover what they need at an age that they can afford the increased premiums since they are no longer raising kids, shouldn't have enormous debt unless they were irresponsible and may even have saved money for the expense of healthcare in a HSA.
The ACA tries to solve a small problem of "the uninsured" using ERs for their healthcare with sweeping legislation that drastically raises premiums for the working class. The ACA is a failure already whether it has imploded yet or will ever implode. We all know that the wonderful people in DC will bail out entitlements until the country and our economy resembles the rest of the socialized western countries now clamoring for cheap labor from 3rd world economies because they don't complain about the subsidized healthcare and will continue to vote for liberals to get more entitlements.
Just keep killing the middle class.
This post was edited on 7/24/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 7/24/17 at 10:56 pm to tigersbb
Very impressive summation. You in the health care field ?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:48 am to BamaAtl
quote:FALSE!
The only way it fails is Republican sabotage.
Actually, the only way it succeeds is Republican sabotage.
If Republicans would not sabotage the Constitution and instead follow the law to the letter, Obamacare would not last one more cycle.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 9:57 am to NC_Tigah
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NC_Tigah
Please stop until you've taken the time to learn about the issue.
This ignorant screaming from you does nobody any good - least of all yourself.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:09 am to BamaAtl
quote:Thus far Trump has elected to continue extra-Constitutional funding of obamacare. It's something you are either unaware of or willing to lie about. As we've had this discussion several times, the latter seems more probable. But once again . . .
BamaAtl
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On May 12, 2016 the administration lost a case in United States District Court, U.S. House of Representatives v. Burwell, in which Judge Rosemary Collyer ruled that payments to insurers for cost-sharing subsidies without an express appropriation from Congress violated the Constitution. And recently, multiple insurers have filed suit against the government in the Court of Federal Claims, seeking payment for unpaid “risk corridor” funds, designed to cushion insurers from incurring major losses, or major gains, during the exchanges’ first three years.
What exactly do all these Obamacare lawsuits entail? And how much taxpayer money is the Obama administration shoveling to insurers in an attempt to keep them participating in its moribund exchanges? Herewith, a 101 tutorial on the more than $170 billion in Obamacare bailouts.
LINK
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:11 am to NC_Tigah
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extra-Constitutional funding of obamacare
Extra-Constitutional despite 2 SCOTUS cases...suuuuure. Or are you unaware of that?!
From your article, btw:
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In fiscal year 2014, insurers received $2.1 billion in cost-sharing subsidies. In fiscal 2015, the cost-sharing subsidies totaled $5.1 billion, and this fiscal year, spending on the subsidies will total an estimated $6.1 billion
Posted on 7/25/17 at 3:23 pm to BamaAtl
quote:No. Again you are either painfully unaware of current status in the courts, or are being willfully ignorant.
Extra-Constitutional despite 2 SCOTUS cases...suuuuure. Or are you unaware of that?!
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