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re: I'm Watching the '16 BAMA game - a few thoughts...
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:44 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Why hasnt anyone made him an offer to be a DC in 29 of his 32 years of coaching? Why has no one allowed him to Coach more than 8 games in row Since 2007? Why hasnt anyone allowed him to form a defensive game plan since 2007?
Everyone else is playing checkers. Alleva is playing 3-D chess.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 3:49 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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What about the plays with LF and Guice in the same backfield. That's deadly. Why did our more shifty RB get 2 carries? The game plan was shite
In the game against BYU??? Oh, I forgot you live exclusively in the past. Sorry
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He toutes the offense as one of the reasons we should hire O and then uses it as an excuse when talking about bama.
He does? I think he is noticing the changes that Coach O made to the offensive staff and not joining in and crying about last year with a damn near totally different offensive staff. I'll watch last year's bowl game again this weekend and see if I can find something to be miserable about. That way I can cry and be pessimistic about Aranda, Canada and O going forwar. Wish me luck !!!
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:03 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The difference is im not removing blame when it looks like shite against the decent teams we played.
The difference is that you obviously didn't notice changes were made to the coaching staff.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:08 pm to Tiger Ree
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The difference is that you obviously didn't notice changes were made to the coaching staff.
I have. Still doesnt change the fact that when we needed the offense to OPEN IT UP, O used the same tired game pkaplan n that got miles fired. So up to this point the open it up label isnt justified. Even those records,which are great, were on the backs of ungodly rushing numbers and not some opening up of the offense.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:20 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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I asked you the other day and you dodnt answer.
Sorry, I "dodnt" answer because I didn't see it. Was it in the anchored thread?
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Would Ed Orgeron ever be hired at Bama?
Would Ed Orgeron ever be hired at Ohio State?
Day?
Good question, must admit, that I don't know who "Day" is. Since you didn't specify the position, I think either one of those teams would hire Coach O in a heartbeat, ONE HEARTBEAT. Could you imagine Coach O and Nick Saban or Urban Meyer recruiting on the same team. Would be un-fricking-stoppable. So yes, either team and "Day" would love to have him also.
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Why hasnt anyone made him an offer to be a DC in 29 of his 32 years of coaching?
He has stated that Pete Jenkins was his hero and aspired to be. Maybe being a D-line coach, recruiting coordinator and ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH was enough hats for him to wear at one time. Maybe he preferred being D-line coach, recruiting coordinator and ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH at USC over being a DC at Bowling Green or Texas State. What do you think?
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Why has no one allowed him to Coach more than 8 games in row Since 2007?
Hmmm, did we go look at his last two coaching tenures to see how many games he coached so another person couldn't use his very successful stints at USC and LSU as examples to counter your ridiculous argument? When LSU plays BYU you will have to change your question to 9 games, then 10 games, then 11, well you get the picture.
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Why hasnt anyone allowed him to form a defensive game plan since 2007?
Was he not in the meetings for formulating game plans? I guess I missed that bit of factual information that you are aware of. You have more to share on that situation?
I would think an associate head coach and then interim coach at two different locations could have input if he wanted. I could be wrong, but that's the idea I get for some reason.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:28 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Still doesnt change the fact that when we needed the offense to OPEN IT UP, O used the same tired game pkaplan n that got miles fired
Yeah, I'm not totally sure what "pkaplan" means but I saw where someone (you) has been bitching because the LSU head coach never ran either side of the ball. Now you are trying to blame him for running one side of the ball????
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records,which are great, were on the backs of ungodly rushing numbers and not some opening up of the offense
Dude you are really stretching aren't you??? How long has LSU played football? How many great running backs and offensive lines have they had? LSU under Coach O and Steve E broke three ALL-TIME LSU offensive records. It is what it is. Worrying about it and trying to argue it away is futile.
Sorry it bothers you so much. Les had Crowton, Jimbo and others and couldn't do it. Saban won a NC here and couldn't do it. Coach O in 8 games with at TE's coach running the offense COULD DO IT. Nothing you say can change that.
Care to guess how many records the LSU offense may break next year with Canada or are you too busy being miserable about last year still????
Posted on 7/6/17 at 4:43 pm to Tiger Ree
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Care to guess how many records the LSU offense may break next year with Canada or are you too busy being miserable about last year still????
Or do you want to suddenly log out and act like you never saw my question???
I understand, well actually, I don't, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You probably had a house-fire, dog got sick, wife showed up and pulled the plug on internet message boards.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 5:24 pm to Tiger Ree
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well whatever
agreed
Posted on 7/6/17 at 6:12 pm to Tiger Abe
They dominated line of scrimmage pretty simple
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:38 pm to Tiger Ree
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Yeah, I'm not totally sure what "pkaplan" means but I saw where someone (you) has been bitching because the LSU head coach never ran either side of the ball. Now you are trying to blame him for running one side of the ball????
Holy shite. So you admit O had nothing to do with the offense looking better? Finally youve come to your senses and admitted that a dline coach shouldn't get the credit for the offense.
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Dude you are really stretching aren't you
Stretching? We ran for 418 yards when we broke that record. I celebrate it but let's not act like we broke tbat record doing anything other than running the ball. The 2nd record was our yards per play record. Great. The 3rd was the single game rushing record which LF Would be broke in 2015 if miles hadn't let him sit the 4th quarters.
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Sorry it bothers you so much.
I'm sorry it bothers you to hear lsu made one of the most unqualified hires in big 6 history.
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Coach O in 8 games with at TE's coach running the offense COULD DO IT.
Did you give Miles the credit for the defenses during his tenure?
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Care to guess how many records the LSU offense may break next year with Canada or are you too busy being miserable about last year still????
Miserable? So I'm miserable about last year because I pointed out the bullshite statement that we finally have a coach that will open up the game plan.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 8:52 pm to Tiger Ree
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Good question, must admit, that I don't know who "Day" is. Since you didn't specify the position, I think either one of those teams would hire Coach O in a heartbeat, ONE HEARTBEAT. Could you imagine Coach O and Nick Saban or Urban Meyer recruiting on the same team. Would be un-fricking-stoppable. So yes, either team and "Day" would love to have him also.
What position is he currently at?
If the bama hc position were open would Ed Orgeron make their top 5 candidates?
Would he make the top 5 candidates at OHIO State?
He wouldnt be in those program's top list for defensive coordinator,let alone head coach and yet you think he should be Lsu's head coach.
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He has stated that Pete Jenkins was his hero and aspired to be. Maybe being a D-line coach, recruiting coordinator and ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH was enough hats for him to wear at one time. Maybe he preferred being D-line coach, recruiting coordinator and ASSOCIATE HEAD COACH at USC over being a DC at Bowling Green or Texas State. What do you think?
Yeah I'm sure he turned down obvious promotions to remain a position coach.
Coordinator is above every position you named.
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Hmmm, did we go look at his last two coaching tenures to see how many games he coached so another person couldn't use his very successful stints at USC and LSU as examples to counter your ridiculous argument? When LSU plays BYU you will have to change your question to 9 games, then 10 games, then 11, well you get the picture.
Let's say I do and we win. That's losing 2 games out of 9. Sounds a lot like the miles era you love to shite on.
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Was he not in the meetings for formulating game plans? I guess I missed that bit of factual information that you are aware of. You have more to share on that situation?
I do have more. If his defensive game planning was respected, he wouldve gotten numerous coordinator jobs.
You don't see position coaches with 32 years all the sudden turn into a championship coach. If you've been a coach for 32 years and only had 3 years above a position coach then that reflects on how respected your all around defensive game planning is.
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I would think an associate head coach and then interim coach at two different locations could have input if he wanted. I could be wrong, but that's the idea I get for some reason.
I'm saying he has never proven he can run a successful defense. Where are all these 55 year old career position coach that turn into diamond in the rough coaches?
Do you at least admit that every coordinator that has proven they can successfully run a side of the ball has a better resume than O?
Posted on 7/6/17 at 10:21 pm to Tiger Abe
I know there is no game for a while but could someone explain why you watch games from last season?
Posted on 7/7/17 at 8:43 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Do you at least admit that every coordinator that has proven they can successfully run a side of the ball has a better resume than O?
EVERY coordinator? There are a lot of successful coordinators that sucked at being a head coach. I mean a whole lot.
Then you have guys like Dabo Swinney and Urban Meyer who were never coordinators and have won national titles.
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has a better resume than O?
Do you realize how hard it is for a coach to take over a program that just fired the HC and be successful? Someone posted the records of interim coaches (I'm pretty sure it was on the coaching changes board) and it was not good at all. It's not a good situation when a coach takes over for one who HAD to be fired.
Coach O took over a USC team that was 3-2 (4-7 in last 11) with the 3 wins coming against Hawaii, Utah State and another scrub. He took that exact same team that had just fired the HC and went 5-2 with a win over the #4 team in the country.
Coach O took over an LSU team that was 2-2 (4-5 in the last 9) with the wins being against TX A&M at home (19-7), TX Tech, Jacksonville State, and a thorough whooping of Mississippi State at home by 3 points. He took that team that had fired the head coach and fired the OC also and then went 6-2 to finish the season. This included beating 3 ranked teams at the time they played and facing 5 ranked total in his 8 games.
So NO, I don't think EVERY coordinator that has been successful has a better resume than Coach O.
Has every coordinator that has taken over during the season for a fired coach had NEAR the SUCCESS coach O has had??? TWICE turning two separate programs around leading them to winning records and very successful seasons??? The answer is very, very few if any.
Have we talked about the guy you wanted to hire as the LSU head coach in this thread? You know, the guy who went 4-3 down the stretch this past season, which would have been 4-4 if he didn't skip the bowl game? The guy who had by-far the most talented team in his conference and finished in 6th place?
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:22 am to Tiger Ree
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Good question, must admit, that I don't know who "Day" is. Since you didn't specify the position, I think either one of those teams would hire Coach O in a heartbeat, ONE HEARTBEAT. Could you imagine Coach O and Nick Saban or Urban Meyer recruiting on the same team. Would be un-fricking-stoppable. So yes, either team and "Day" would love to have him also.
You're pathetic. But you're good for some laughs. I do hope, however, that your're trolling. The alternative is scary. Posted on 7/7/17 at 10:40 am to Mo Jeaux
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You're pathetic. But you're good for some laughs. I do hope, however, that your're trolling. The alternative is scary
Not trolling at all and not pathetic. Pathetic would be if someone thought that Coach O after his successes turning the USC and LSU programs around would not be considered for a head coaching position.
Hell, the guy he took over for at USC after starting the 2012 season as the #1 team in the nation and winding up unranked had multiple interviews for HC positions. This is the guy that Coach O took over for and made look like the high school coach he is.
If Coach O wasn't hired by LSU as soon as he was after the season was over I feel he would have got looks. If he wasn't hired this year, I think he would have been the HC at Arkansas when they finally smartened up and fired Bert. Yeah the same Bert who had beat Les Miles in Les' last two seasons as head coach at LSU.
They would love to have a great recruiter as HC and someone who can bring in great coordinators and position coaches.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 11:16 am to Tiger Ree
Both the USC and LSU teams he took over were FREAKING STACKED. They were both expected to be NC contenders, and the coaches were fired for starting out with zero motivation.
Forgive me if i dont jump for joy because he beat 6 teams where he had WAY more talent, and lost the games with comparable or better talent on the other sideline.
Most teams that fire their coaches are because the team royally sucks. That was not the case in either of O's situations.
Forgive me if i dont jump for joy because he beat 6 teams where he had WAY more talent, and lost the games with comparable or better talent on the other sideline.
Most teams that fire their coaches are because the team royally sucks. That was not the case in either of O's situations.
Posted on 7/7/17 at 1:19 pm to SportTiger1
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Both the USC and LSU teams he took over were FREAKING STACKED. They were both expected to be NC contenders
Show me where each team was considered a contender for a national championship. The only people who thought that may have been the fans. LSU hasn't finished in the top 10 for 5 or more years.
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and the coaches were fired for starting out with zero motivation.
They were fired for losing games 4-7 for USC and 4-5 for LSU. Les was mostly fired for not living up to his promise of opening up the offense.
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Forgive me if i dont jump for joy because he beat 6 teams where he had WAY more talent
What's there to forgive? I don't give a frick what you do or how you feel. Are you still depressed over what happened last year? Even with the changes Coach O made this offseason. Good luck with that shite, a-hole.
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and lost the games with comparable or better talent on the other sideline.
That happens. Alabama lost to one team last year. That was in the NC game. If you have unrealistic expectations that is on you.
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Most teams that fire their coaches are because the team royally sucks. That was not the case in either of O's situations.
One team was 4-7 and the other was 4-5. That's not royally sucking? What does suck mean for you? No wins in the last 9 or 11 games. Did you happen to notice where I mentioned LSU's four wins. Do you want me to do the losses which included blowouts of LSU by Ole Miss and Arkansas?
Posted on 7/7/17 at 1:30 pm to Tiger Ree
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Coach O after his successes turning the USC and LSU programs around
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:33 pm to Tiger Ree
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Not trolling at all and not pathetic. Pathetic would be if someone thought that Coach O after his successes turning the USC and LSU programs around would not be considered for a head coaching position.
He hasn't even gotten coordinator offers.
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Coach O wasn't hired by LSU as soon as he was after the season was over I feel he would have got looks
He has been coaching for 32 years. 29 of them as a position coach.
He wasnt even getting coordinators job offers.
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They would love to have a great recruiter as HC and someone who can bring in great coordinators and position coaches.
Then why wasnt he getting coordinator job offers?
Posted on 7/7/17 at 9:44 pm to Tiger Ree
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So NO, I don't think EVERY coordinator that has been successful has a better resume than Coach O.
Successful Coordinator
Has proven they can run a successful side of the ball.
Ed Orgeron
In 32 years he has never proven he can run a successful side of the ball. FACT.
Ed Orgeron doesnt even have the 2nd best resume on his own current staff.
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Then you have guys like Dabo Swinney and Urban Meyer who were never coordinators and have won national titles.
Meyer went to a mid major. He didnt move from position coach to head coach of a p5 program.
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Coach O took over a USC team that was 3-2 (4-7 in last 11) with the 3 wins coming against Hawaii, Utah State and another scrub. He took that exact same team that had just fired the HC and went 5-2 with a win over the #4 team in the country.
Took over? He didnt hire a single staff member,didnt run the offense,didnt run the defense and didn't choose the schemes. The fact that you think that is taking over a program just proves how limited your knowledge of cfb is.
If not hiring a single staff member,not running the defense,not running the offense,and not choosing the schemes counts as taking over a program then I've been taking over programs all my life.
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So NO, I don't think EVERY coordinator that has been successful has a better resume than Coach O.
Then you clearly don't know how resumes work.
A successful coordinator has proven they can run a successful side of the ball. Ed Orgeron hasn't.
A successful coordinator has not proven he can run a successful program BUT NEITHER HAS ED ORGERON. The only time Ed Orgeron was allowed to actually put his fingerprints on a program it culminated into the worst tenure ever at a program full of shitty tenures.
HAS THE COACH PROVEN THEY CAN RUN A SUCCESSFUL SIDE OF THE BALL
Successful Coordinator= yes
Ed Orgeron= no
HAS THE COACH PROVEN THEY CAN RUN A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM
Successful Coordinator= no
ED Orgeron= no
The fact that you can't admit that every successful coordinator has a better resume than Ed Orgeron just proves your bias.
This post was edited on 7/7/17 at 9:59 pm
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