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re: Opiod addicts will not be covered under TrumpCare
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:29 pm to Eurocat
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:29 pm to Eurocat
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Telling an opiod addict to "be a man and just stop taking it" is about as effective as telling someone with diareah "be a man and hold it in, come on, don't be a wuss".
So, if I lock each in a room without any opioids or toilets, the former is still going to get high and the latter is still going to shite himself?
Let's not go off the rails on a crazy train.
Do some folks have a greater propensity than others towards addictive behavior, generally, and substance addiction, specifically?
Certainly. Only a fool would deny that. But to equate an addict lying, stealing, robbing, and, yes, killing to get a fix or even a prescription pill addict engaging in immoral or illegal behavior to a person with intestinal symptoms (or, I assume you would also equate it to a fever?) just makes it awfully easy to dismiss your logic as unsound.
Why do I say this? Because extreme, hard core addicts HAVE kicked the habit with varying degrees of success. Smokers have kicked cold turkey. Ditto for alcoholics. While addiction may not be 100% within the persons control (and I am not sympathetic to those who grew up with no other examples than addiction as well as those who might have gotten hooked by their doctor overprescribing medication, particularly opioids and benzos), sobriety really is.
It really is.
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It requires medical treatment and is not just a question of willpower.
In some cases, I would agree - heroin withdrawal is highly dangerous and must be medically managed to be safe. I get that. I don't get having them hooked on Methadone for the rest of their lives.
However, without willpower, there is never going to be a good outcome. It is a combination of willpower and other support structures (IMHO).
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:41 pm to Ace Midnight
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In some cases, I would agree - heroin withdrawal is highly dangerous and must be medically managed to be safe. I get that. I don't get having them hooked on Methadone for the rest of their lives.
Actually alcohol and benzodiazepine withdrawal is much more dangerous and kills people. Opiate withdrawal just makes you think you are gonna die. Opiate withdrawal rarely ever kills someone but still needs to be medically supervised
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is a combination of willpower and other support structures (IMHO)
Most people with the disease of addiction need to be medically helped in a medical environment to get through the early withdrawals. After that it is certainly about willingness and outside help.
You missed the other posters point
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 2:54 pm to Ace Midnight
You do know that quitting alcohol cold turkey if you have been a heavy drinker for a while is extremely dangerous, yes?
I don't mean a person who had a three day binge at a LSU tailgate, I mean a serious drinker.
It's virtually the EXACT same thing with opiods.
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I don't mean a person who had a three day binge at a LSU tailgate, I mean a serious drinker.
It's virtually the EXACT same thing with opiods.
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