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re: Jimmy butler to Minnesota

Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:25 pm to
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:25 pm to
Wiggins shot like 46% and had 24 ppg in a season that was not very good for him. I don't think you want to give up a guy like that on a rookie contract who is in his early 20s.
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 9:26 pm
Posted by JackVincennes
NOLA
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 9:29 pm to
Wow, Ainge hasn't breathed a stupid breath in his life but it looks like he could have probably got Butler without selling the farm. Maybe the Bulls just didn't want to give him to the C's. I think the Celtics with Butket and Heyward would have a real shot. But as a Celtics fan I know it's best to be patient.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35252 posts
Posted on 6/22/17 at 10:08 pm to
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Wiggins shot like 46% and had 24 ppg in a season that was not very good for him
But scoring is the only thing he does. His assist and rebounding totals are horrible for a wing player. He's a worse scoring, passing and rebounding version of Carmelo (even a young one).

And while he had the third highest PER on the team, he was 9th in WS/48, 12th in box plus minus, and 15th in VORP. ON HIS OWN 31 win team.

His PER is largely a function of usage though, with a 29 usage, he should have a PER of 20.4, his 16.5 is 3.9 points below the predicted value, and 319th out of 355 players who played more than 500 minutes.

In addition, out of the 355 players that played more than 500 minutes here are his rankings by the various metrics.

PER--94th
Real Plus Minus--234th (estimate since ESPN lists minutes per game)
WS/48--247th
Box Plus Minus--282nd
VORP--328
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I don't think you want to give up a guy like that on a rookie contract who is in his early 20s.
VORP should track linearly with salary, and his VORP is worse than a replacement player, his value is worth league minimum (543,000), so he's getting paid (6,006,000), 11 times more than his value.

In other words, his rookie contract was actually a terrible value last season.
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