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re: Lonzo Ball going #2 - yes or no

Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:14 am to
Posted by vengeanceofrain
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Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:14 am to
i am stealing this from real gm as this is my exact feeling on ball

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If Ball never becomes a scorer and never develops a scorers mentality, how can he ever be an all-star, let alone a superstar? I've been really up and down on Ball because I really want to like him, but even without looking at Lavar, I see issues. Yes, he has immense upside and he's an amazing passer in college, but if he doesn't ever reach his upside, what is he? I question his leadership because while it might look good on the court, he never speaks up off the court. He hasn't showed up for combine stuff, he listens to his dad on the shoe thing, he isn't working out for any teams. These are all bad decisions that can be blamed on the agent, but really, when has it seemed like he made his own choice with anything other than passing? I question his handle, I question his half-court offense, his ability to know any understand set plays (because his high school coach was **** terrible and never ran plays/most of the stuff he did in college was on the break. I question his shot, but not much because I think he'll still be able to use it. I question his handle, his mid-range, his defensive ability, his desire to play defense, his strength, and his fire.




at the end of the day i think you will have this

Boston - MF


ione of phi or phx will take fox if left there so sac trades up with the lakers to get fox at 2 and give up the 5 and 10 pick

philly takes jackson

phx takes tatum

lakers take ball at 5
This post was edited on 6/16/17 at 12:20 am
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
145403 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 12:32 am to
i dont want this to come off like i am picking on you or whatever, but that is a pretty awful take
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If Ball never becomes a scorer
is a beyond elite off ball scorer
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I question his leadership because while it might look good on the court, he never speaks up off the court.
bryce alford and tj leaf has spoken about how great of a leader he was for UCLA all the time. not to mention how the culture of the program was clearly changed the moment he arrived in westwood
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He hasn't showed up for combine stuff
this has been common for elite prospects for years
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he listens to his dad on the shoe thing
hes 19 and its his dad, the man that raised him. dont see how that is a knock against him
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, he isn't working out for any teams
he wants to play for the lakers and that is who he is working out for. once again, dont see how this a problem
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when has it seemed like he made his own choice with anything other than passing?
you mean like his historically high TS%? or his 90th+ percentile in off ball scoring? or his serviceable off ball defense?
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question his handle
valid
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I question his half-court offense
its valid to question his ability to get his own scoring in a half court offense. however, he will do just fine operating as a whole in a half court offense
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his ability to know any understand set plays
LOLOLOLOLOLOL yea, the prospect who has shown one of the highest basketball IQs in recent memory will have a difficult time figuring out plays and his role in a NBA offense. yea, right
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his mid-range
on midrange jumpers, he shot 50% on the year. he only took 22 of those kind of shots on a college court. but on shots he took from behind the college three point line but within the pro three point line, he shot over 46% on over 125 shots. what does that say? does that say someone who has trouble with scoring in the nba midrange game? or does that say someone understands to get the frick behind the line for a three instead of a long 2?
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his defensive ability, his desire to play defense
his on ball defense is suspect. but his offball defense numbers grade out better and he has good size to go with strong instinctual off ball defensive play
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his strength
valid for now. he has the body to make it work but right now, thats a valid concern
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and his fire.
lol i have no idea why anyone would but whatever
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 6/16/17 at 7:56 am to


Sacto spits on your trade up. Ball is nowhere near worth this attention. Nice college player. Late first, early 2nd. I fart in ball's general direction.
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