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re: When did the right stop being about limited government and start peddling conspiracies?
Posted on 5/29/17 at 1:49 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 5/29/17 at 1:49 pm to Antonio Moss
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It's illegitimate when discussing the substance of the matter. Politician A's policy sucks and in defense of the policy, you cite Politician B's shitty policy.
This wouldn't really be a Whataboutism, assuming our choices are just between Policy A and Policy B.
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It is legitimate when discussing principles and hypocrisy. A person rallies for Trump's tax returns in hopes of disclosing illicit financial relationships yet completely ignores/defends the Clinton Foundation. It doesn't excuse Trump's relationships but simply acknowledges the fact that the person seeking the returns has no credibility and is a complete hack.
No, this is not legitimate. If Poster A starts a thread about Trump's taxes and Poster B responds with something about the Clinton Foundation, thats completely bogus. If you want to talk about the Clinton Foundation then start a new thread on it. If you have no response but to bring up something totally unrelated or to start making personal attacks, then you have no defense. Even if Poster A doesn't have any credibity, that still doesn't change anything regarding Trump's taxes and by taking that road you're no better than the person you claim has no credibility.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 1:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Anyone still crying about trump's taxes is obviously just desperate to find a gotcha. It's a loser's argument.
Posted on 5/29/17 at 1:59 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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This wouldn't really be a Whataboutism, assuming our choices are just between Policy A and Policy B.
Sure it is. If I'm arguing that Trump's foreign policy in Syria is dangerous and a Trump supporters responds that Obama had a similar policy in order to support Trump - that's whataboutism. It's illegitimate because we are discussing the substance of the policy.
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No, this is not legitimate. If Poster A starts a thread about Trump's taxes and Poster B responds with something about the Clinton Foundation, thats completely bogus.
Only if they are trying to defend the substance of the argument which would be fiscal relationships. But if the point is simply to point out that Poster A doesn't care about illicit fiscal relationships until the other side has them, then it is a legitimate means of discrediting Poster A. It's doesn't mean the substance is wrong; only that the Poster is selective in his outrage and unprincipled.
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Even if Poster A doesn't have any credibity, that still doesn't change anything regarding Trump's taxes and by taking that road you're no better than the person you claim has no credibility.
I disagree. Pointing out hypocrisy is important because it harms credibility down the line. There is a reason why no sane person acknowledges Huffington Post or Info Wars - it's because they have developed a pattern of discredited reporting. It's the same with individual posters. Even though they may stumble on valid points from time to time, anything they put forth should be taken with a major grain of salt.
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