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re: Australian Imam: Make No Mistake, Islamic Scripture Commands Beheadings, Massacre People
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:53 pm to skrayper
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:53 pm to skrayper
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The Honest - the person who grew up with the religion, it is part of their core, but also understands where it came from and some of the horrible things it says. Tries to explain to people that there are just some members of this religion that will NEVER be okay with a "better relationship" and tries to get officials to do something. Tries to teach a, "Yes, we came from a violent past but we are not chained to it and we can be something better," viewpoint. A very tiny minority, sadly.
I generally agree with what you said, but this point doesn't make sense to me. The west is filled with violent history, and to this day is waging war across the globe. Maybe we should be focusing on reforming ourselves and stay the frick out of the places where the extremists live.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 12:57 pm to MrCarton
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I generally agree with what you said, but this point doesn't make sense to me. The west is filled with violent history, and to this day is waging war across the globe. Maybe we should be focusing on reforming ourselves and stay the frick out of the places where the extremists live.
I agree that we should not be involved in the inner workings of a lot of countries, but some have progressed beyond a point where that would be as easily done as if we had, say, done so in the 70s. If we had, Iran would still be a democracy that looks more like America than Saudi Arabia.
We have to own up that we (the United States) created a mess that we (the United States) needs to clean up in some way. I'm not interested in partisan blame - the simple fact of the matter is that we stuck our hands into other countries all the time. If there's an issue with one now, we need to assess if we are part of the cause and then fix it - not hope it resolves itself.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:02 pm to MrCarton
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I generally agree with what you said, but this point doesn't make sense to me. The west is filled with violent history, and to this day is waging war across the globe. Maybe we should be focusing on reforming ourselves and stay the frick out of the places where the extremists live.
Human beings are a very violent species. It's a neoliberal talking point about how nonviolent we've become, but we are what we are. The Ghost in the Machine as it were.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:16 pm to MrCarton
"Maybe we should be focusing on reforming ourselves and stay the frick out of the places where the extremists live."
I might even agree with you to a point, but the Manchester murderer was from England and the two sheikhs debating each other in the link by the OP were in Australia. The San Bernandino killers were from freakin' San Bernadino. We cannot simply stay out of the places where they live because we live there, too.
I might even agree with you to a point, but the Manchester murderer was from England and the two sheikhs debating each other in the link by the OP were in Australia. The San Bernandino killers were from freakin' San Bernadino. We cannot simply stay out of the places where they live because we live there, too.
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:22 pm to MrCarton
Like dead born and Minneapolis?
Posted on 5/26/17 at 1:48 pm to MrCarton
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generally agree with what you said, but this point doesn't make sense to me. The west is filled with violent history, and to this day is waging war across the globe. Maybe we should be focusing on reforming ourselves and stay the frick out of the places where the extremists
Maybe but these fricks are here now.
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