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re: Holder says Saints should slow roll Vacarro contract
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:00 pm to tigerterrace
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:00 pm to tigerterrace
He's replaceable so I agree. We have to learn from past mistakes. We don't always have to re-sign our homegrown guys that are half way decent, esp at a position we have heavily invested in recent drafts
Then again you have bad signings like Fleener still happening so I'm not sure they've made the same strides in Free agency as they seem to have had with the draft
Then again you have bad signings like Fleener still happening so I'm not sure they've made the same strides in Free agency as they seem to have had with the draft
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Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:12 pm to Lester Earl
Fleener isn't a bargain contract, he's paid his production.
Reality is, there are lots of those even on SB winning teams
Reality is, there are lots of those even on SB winning teams
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:17 pm to tigerterrace
After looking at the salaries of the top 10 - 15 safeties KV will get anywhere from 7 - 9 mill easily on the open market. Safeties with his physical skill set are in demand right now. The right DC and scheme would make KV a perennial pro bowler.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:20 pm to htran90
SB winning teams already in cap hell do not overpay for a marginal TE when there are bigger holes on the team. You're one of two people who happen to be huge homers that I've seen defend that signing and contract
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:22 pm to Lester Earl
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SB winning teams already in cap hell do not overpay for a marginal TE when there are bigger holes on the team. You're one of two people who happen to be huge homers that I've seen defend that signing and contract
Not defending it, but I'm not gonna whine about it a year later. Would I have preferred a RG or DE, hell yeah. But if we're gonna bitch about bad contracts, there's a longer list in the last 5 years.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:25 pm to tigerterrace
We need Kenny for sub Packages. He fits well in the Big Nickel as the De Facto WLB. He can guard TEs and slot WRs really well and with the addition of Williams he should be able to shine on 3rd downs playing that role exclusively. Sign him now so we don't look dumb again letting another really good safety go somewhere else and kill it for them.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 12:30 pm to htran90
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there's a longer list in the last 5 years.
Which makes all the more unacceptable. But ya let's keep going to the same well!!
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:13 pm to Lester Earl
"He's replaceable"
Almost every player is replaceable, but really the question is does it make sense to?
To replace Vaccaro you'd either have to go into free agency (where you're likely to over pay and then you're not even certain that player would fit Vaccaro's role adequately) or you're looking at drafting that player, who would likely not be ready to fill that role right away unless it's a player in the first two rounds, and even then there's no guarantee that player would pan out.
Resigning your own guys just makes sense because they're a known commodity, so you pay extra for certainty in lou of paying less for a gamble.
Depending on the market it might not make sense, and that could certainly be the case with Vaccaro after this year, which is why I think it makes sense to try to resign him now.
Almost every player is replaceable, but really the question is does it make sense to?
To replace Vaccaro you'd either have to go into free agency (where you're likely to over pay and then you're not even certain that player would fit Vaccaro's role adequately) or you're looking at drafting that player, who would likely not be ready to fill that role right away unless it's a player in the first two rounds, and even then there's no guarantee that player would pan out.
Resigning your own guys just makes sense because they're a known commodity, so you pay extra for certainty in lou of paying less for a gamble.
Depending on the market it might not make sense, and that could certainly be the case with Vaccaro after this year, which is why I think it makes sense to try to resign him now.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:23 pm to Patrick O Rly
we've drafted 2 safties very high the last two years. So we've invested in the position in that respect.
That being said, for what Vaccaro does, he isnt worth a big contract. That is why I say he is replaceable.
There are players that arent replaceable. Michael Thomas. Cam Jordan, Brees, MaX Unger and most of our OL.
Vaccaro is an ok safety. If we hadnt wasted a 1st Rd pick on him, we wouldnt feel so justified to re-sign him. Say he was only a 3rd round pick which is about equal to his production, we wouldnt be so concerned with brining him back. Ok in coverage, good vs the run. Absolutely no balls skills. His on the field talents are replaceable. I will give him credit for being a good leader. That will warrant him a look.
That being said, for what Vaccaro does, he isnt worth a big contract. That is why I say he is replaceable.
There are players that arent replaceable. Michael Thomas. Cam Jordan, Brees, MaX Unger and most of our OL.
Vaccaro is an ok safety. If we hadnt wasted a 1st Rd pick on him, we wouldnt feel so justified to re-sign him. Say he was only a 3rd round pick which is about equal to his production, we wouldnt be so concerned with brining him back. Ok in coverage, good vs the run. Absolutely no balls skills. His on the field talents are replaceable. I will give him credit for being a good leader. That will warrant him a look.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:31 pm to Lester Earl
22 passes defensed and 5 picks in 3 and a half seasons worth of games equals
And how often are people yelling at Vaccaro for blowing coverage? It's rare. He may give up a short one and make the tackle right away, but he ain't getting beat left and right. Far from it.
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Absolutely no balls skills.
And how often are people yelling at Vaccaro for blowing coverage? It's rare. He may give up a short one and make the tackle right away, but he ain't getting beat left and right. Far from it.
This post was edited on 5/21/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:36 pm to bonethug0108
im not sure ball skills means what you think it does. Averaging 1 INT per year does not equate to having ball skills
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:37 pm to Lester Earl
The two safeties we've drafted aren't like him. They don't have his physicality. We tried to move Bell into the Vaccaro role during his suspension, and it didn't suit him.
He's more like a OLB than a safety the way we use him, and his role has been becoming more a necessity league wide.
If I can sign him now for a reasonable deal I do it.
He's more like a OLB than a safety the way we use him, and his role has been becoming more a necessity league wide.
If I can sign him now for a reasonable deal I do it.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:37 pm to Lester Earl
22 passes defensed. He gets his hands on the ball.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:42 pm to Patrick O Rly
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If I can sign him now for a reasonable deal I do it.
I think the issue is Vaccaro knows he can get a good deal on the open market, so he'll bet on himself and test FA as opposed to signing a contract that pays him less than he thinks he'll make.
On the flipside we may want to see how it plays out this year and let his market get set in FA and just match or come close to it. We have the space to do it.
Either way I think the contract would end up being about the same ($9 mil range).
Posted on 5/21/17 at 1:49 pm to bonethug0108
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I think the issue is Vaccaro knows he can get a good deal on the open market, so he'll bet on himself and test FA as opposed to signing a contract that pays him less than he thinks he'll make.
I have no idea why this would not be the case. His agent should too.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:22 pm to Patrick O Rly
We don't know what Bell is yet
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:26 pm to bonethug0108
22 passes defended in 56 games means one every 2 games.
Balls skills!!!
Geez dude you'll argue anything no matter how stupid you look or wrong you are
Balls skills!!!
Geez dude you'll argue anything no matter how stupid you look or wrong you are
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:32 pm to Lester Earl
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We don't know what Bell is yet.
I know at the very least he's not Vaccaro.
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Geez dude you'll argue anything no matter how stupid you look or wrong you are
You're probably the most stubborn poster on Saints talk. You really have no room to talk.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 2:53 pm to Lester Earl
Knocking away a pass every other game as someone who doesn't get a ton completed on him isn't "absolutely no ball skills".
I didn't say he was the best or even good at it. But he does have ball skills. He can and does get his hands in there.
I didn't say he was the best or even good at it. But he does have ball skills. He can and does get his hands in there.
Posted on 5/21/17 at 3:01 pm to Patrick O Rly
Well...there's rex 
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