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re: What do you think a "human right" is?

Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:29 am to
Posted by Big12fan
Dallas
Member since Nov 2011
5340 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:29 am to
Being a right is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether we want to provide for the general welfare of our citizens or not by offering health care for those who are not able to procure it on their own. Is it ok to spend billions on blowing up others across the globe while allowing a minority of our citizens to fall into bad health due to their inability to pay?

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
43428 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:33 am to
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Being a right is irrelevant.


It most certainly is relevant.

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whether we want to provide for the general welfare of our citizens


Your premise is incorrect. You do not understand the meaning of this phrase.

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by offering health care for those who are not able to procure it on their own


Not a role of the national government. If states wish to do this, they are free to.

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Is it ok to spend billions on blowing up others across the globe while allowing a minority of our citizens to fall into bad health due to their inability to pay?



The first one we most certainly should not be doing, but it is at least within the realm of the purpose of national government. The second one is not the role of the national government.

Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:33 am to
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Being a right is irrelevant.


I mean we already know that liberals don't care about rights, but how idiotic.

The federal government is clearly only supposed to have the powers enumerated to it in the COTUS, Meaning if Healthcare isn't a right, you don't have any reasonable expectation of receiving it from the government.

Oh also ,, we are talking about health INSURANCE , not health care. There is a difference.

In point of fact, healthcare itself has been a de facto right in this country for years. You show up to the ER with a medical problem, you are taken care of, regardless of ability to pay.

What we are now discussing is payment for said healthcare.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 5/8/17 at 11:50 am to
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What is relevant is whether we want to provide for the general welfare of our citizens or not by offering health care for those who are not able to procure it on their own. Is it ok to spend billions on blowing up others across the globe while allowing a minority of our citizens to fall into bad health due to their inability to pay?


Providing for the general welfare of our citizens does not mean writing out checks to everyone who can't afford health care.

This site explains it better than I can.


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The phrase simply means that any tax collected must be collected to the benefit of the United States as a whole, not for partial or sectional (i.e. special) interests. The federal government may promote the general welfare, or common good, but it must do so within the scope of the powers delegated and without favoritism.
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