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re: Convince me our pass rush will be sustantially better next year.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:13 pm to Brightside Bengal
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:13 pm to Brightside Bengal
Kikaha did play well his rookie year. We'll see how he bounces bounces back from the injury. Front office probably wants to see what he has this year to make a decision on him and whether or not to look towards the future or not regarding him.
Rankins played well at the end of the season as well and looked to be ahead of the rookie curve.
After this year, the front office will know what they have invested into dline. If it pans out, great. If not, look for big changes outside of Jordan and rankins either in FA or the 2018 draft
Rankins played well at the end of the season as well and looked to be ahead of the rookie curve.
After this year, the front office will know what they have invested into dline. If it pans out, great. If not, look for big changes outside of Jordan and rankins either in FA or the 2018 draft
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:14 pm to htran90
quote:
34 to our 30
wanna know what else they were better at:
coverage (70 PD and 13 INTs to 67 PD and 9 INTs)
know where we upgraded or tried to?
Cornerbacks and Linebackers
And they traded for Kony Ealy, drafted edge players Derek Rivers(3rd rd) & Deatrich Wise(4th Rd) with 2 of their 4 picks.
novel concept, i know
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:16 pm to bonethug0108
quote:
Okay taking certain out do you believe these guys are better than what we have?
Are you asking if I think the guys available in the 3rd round are more talented then what we have now?
uhhh, yes. What the frick do we have that you are hanging your hat on?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:16 pm to Lester Earl
And Saints signed Okafor, have Kikaha coming back, and drafted 2 DEs
Isn't he going to be a 3-4 end? I don't think he's considered a pass rusher at the NFL level
They also have a stacked secondary and Hightower.
quote:
Deatrich Wise(4th Rd)
Isn't he going to be a 3-4 end? I don't think he's considered a pass rusher at the NFL level
quote:
novel concept, i know
They also have a stacked secondary and Hightower.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:20 pm to Lester Earl
I have more faith in Kik and Oak than those guys, so we disgree. You might have one of those guys produce more sacks (just because we're talking like 10 guys vs. 2). Most of them won't even start.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:22 pm to bonethug0108
I am in. I need help with this. As usual we didn't address this sufficiently. Maybe this staff is just not capable....
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:26 pm to Lester Earl
Miller: 4.53/6.70/246lbs
beasley: 4.53/6.91/246lbs
ware: 4.56/6.85/251lbs
Barr: 4.66/6.82/255lbs (not a pass rusher)
Barwin: 4.66/6.87/256lbs
Avril: N/A; 6.90/252lbs
Rivers: 4.61/6.94/248lbs
not sure how you got some of those when some are missing (Avril) or over the time for the 40 (Barr/Barwin).
Hendrickson: 4.65/7.03/266lbs
also, here are the #s of DEs with 10+ sacks last year
Golden: 4.90/??/260lbs (7.39 cone at proday)
Hunter: 4.57/??/252lbs (6.95 cone at proday)
Wake: 4.65/7.12/236lbs
Walden: ??/??/238lbs
Kerrigan: 4.71/7.18/267lbs
Jones: 4.87/7.07/266lbs
Perry: 4.64/7.25/271lbs
Mack: 4.65/7.08/251lbs
Orakpo: 4.70/??/263lbs (7.26 cone at proday)
Bosa: 4.86/6.89/269lbs
Ford: 4.59/7.07/252lbs (all pro day)
Clark: 4.79/7.08/271lbs
So here's the guys he is comparable to in weight:
Hendrickson: 4.65/7.03/266lbs
Golden: 4.90/??/260lbs (7.39 cone at proday)
Kerrigan: 4.71/7.18/267lbs
Jones: 4.87/7.07/266lbs
Perry: 4.64/7.25/271lbs
Orakpo: 4.70/??/263lbs (7.26 cone at proday)
Bosa: 4.86/6.89/269lbs
Clark: 4.79/7.08/271lbs
faster than everyone minus perry
better cone than everyone minus bosa
beasley: 4.53/6.91/246lbs
ware: 4.56/6.85/251lbs
Barr: 4.66/6.82/255lbs (not a pass rusher)
Barwin: 4.66/6.87/256lbs
Avril: N/A; 6.90/252lbs
Rivers: 4.61/6.94/248lbs
not sure how you got some of those when some are missing (Avril) or over the time for the 40 (Barr/Barwin).
Hendrickson: 4.65/7.03/266lbs
also, here are the #s of DEs with 10+ sacks last year
Golden: 4.90/??/260lbs (7.39 cone at proday)
Hunter: 4.57/??/252lbs (6.95 cone at proday)
Wake: 4.65/7.12/236lbs
Walden: ??/??/238lbs
Kerrigan: 4.71/7.18/267lbs
Jones: 4.87/7.07/266lbs
Perry: 4.64/7.25/271lbs
Mack: 4.65/7.08/251lbs
Orakpo: 4.70/??/263lbs (7.26 cone at proday)
Bosa: 4.86/6.89/269lbs
Ford: 4.59/7.07/252lbs (all pro day)
Clark: 4.79/7.08/271lbs
So here's the guys he is comparable to in weight:
Hendrickson: 4.65/7.03/266lbs
Golden: 4.90/??/260lbs (7.39 cone at proday)
Kerrigan: 4.71/7.18/267lbs
Jones: 4.87/7.07/266lbs
Perry: 4.64/7.25/271lbs
Orakpo: 4.70/??/263lbs (7.26 cone at proday)
Bosa: 4.86/6.89/269lbs
Clark: 4.79/7.08/271lbs
faster than everyone minus perry
better cone than everyone minus bosa
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:28 pm to TigerBait1127
Dude they only had 4 picks, 2 were used to address their rush. We had 6 alone in the first 103 picks. Wise is a 2 way guy, expected to be a better pro then cfb player
Re: Kikaha anything we get from his is lagniappe but as a GM of coach you cannot lean on him for the future. You have to plan like he isn't there
And I think everyone liked the okafor signing with the notion we'd do a lot more then we did to address our pass rush woes in the draft.
Re: Kikaha anything we get from his is lagniappe but as a GM of coach you cannot lean on him for the future. You have to plan like he isn't there
And I think everyone liked the okafor signing with the notion we'd do a lot more then we did to address our pass rush woes in the draft.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:30 pm to htran90
Do you think I'm hating on Hendrickson? How the frick did you come up with that? I was doing flips when we finally decided to choose a DE
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:31 pm to Lester Earl
I think you and many others here think too lowly of Kikaha. But he'll prove it one way or another on the field.
We were FULLY committed to him going into last year. I don't see that changing.
We were FULLY committed to him going into last year. I don't see that changing.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:34 pm to bonethug0108
He's torn his ACL 3x. Only an apologist like yourself would count on him
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:34 pm to Brightside Bengal
Our DB's will be so good, we'll be able to blitz everyone else
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:35 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Kony Ealy
if you think that's someone who is such a far away upgrade, you're really mistaken. even carolina homers have given up on him. They thought after a solid rookie season, he was gonna take the next step but for two straight years he didn't do a damn thing while Mario Addison was the one who stepped up.
Even Charles Johnson nabbed 4 sacks last year and played less snaps than Ealy.
Gettleman isn't a dumb GM and pass rushers (and DL) have always been his go to memo since he took over...yet he traded Ealy just to move up a few picks. That speaks loudly of what he thinks of Ealy's potential now.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:38 pm to Lester Earl
He tore one acl in college and retore it because they did a shite job repairing it.
The one he had last year was his other leg and a freak injury.
But I mean Thomas Davis was done after 3 alone in the nfl, right?
The one he had last year was his other leg and a freak injury.
But I mean Thomas Davis was done after 3 alone in the nfl, right?
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:45 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:
1. New DL position coach. The Johnson nightmare is over.
2. Our DL is very young and injured previously. Rankins, Onyemata, Kikaha are all a year more experienced, and Kik is now healthy.
3. Okafor is a very good contributor.
4. We just drafted two pass rushers.
Makes sense
Well thought out
Makes me optimistic again
Go Saints Go!
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:52 pm to bonethug0108
Yea you're right, he'lol over come because Thomas Davis did,
Kikaha was already a fringe NFL athlete coming in. Count on him if you want, apologist.
Kikaha was already a fringe NFL athlete coming in. Count on him if you want, apologist.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:56 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Kikaha was already a fringe NFL athlete coming in.
The fact that he doesn't rely solely on his athleticism isn't a negative here
He first 2 were basically the same injury, and his recovery for this one has supposedly gone extremely well in the repair and recovery. We'll see if we need to bring a vet in pretty early since he's already ready to role in some fashion in OTAs.
I mean I still think TM7 will be a great player with his 2 torn ones in different legs.
quote:
Re: Kikaha anything we get from his is lagniappe but as a GM of coach you cannot lean on him for the future. You have to plan like he isn't there
I agree with that going into the draft and now. We've added 2 players there, making his possible contribution a plus if it happens. I don't think you can evaluate at the present
I see 3 new guys this season outside of Kikaha. 2 will definitely make the team, and the 6th rounder has the talent.
This post was edited on 4/29/17 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:56 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Kikaha was already a fringe NFL athlete coming in. Count on him if you want, apologist.
What? He was on a tear to start his rookie year. I'm with most in that I'm not sure how much we're going to get out of him even if he is starting this year fully healthy, but to act like he doesn't belong is ludicrous.
Posted on 4/29/17 at 6:57 pm to Lester Earl
The latest one was a minor tear and has long sinced healed. He's ready to go.
And fringe athlete? Okay. It'll play out on the field. I'll make the crow pie for one of us.
And fringe athlete? Okay. It'll play out on the field. I'll make the crow pie for one of us.
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