To answer a few of the responses. Yes, if LSJ was 6-5 chances are he would have played last year. Chances also would be ever school in America would have wanted him and he wouldn't be at lsu. So yes, the first 70% of this critique lies in his height. Height (and size) determines ability to see over line, running strides, ability to take a hit, overall athletic prowess and ultimately which can often be a game of inches, one's ability to win when it most matters. Enough of the herb Tyler comparisons, who played in an Era when OL were still under 300lbs and DL weren't "athletic".

Next, the spread option read, for which was the offense LSJ had most, if not all success with in hs. First let's put into context at least his senior year. He played with an OL who's now at TCU, a WR who's now a DB at TX Tech, a RB now at Jax St, another WR who just signed for a D1 and another WR and OL who's still at Zachary who will be D1. Pair that with what LSJ is second to none at--every intangible imaginable which is basically impossible for a hs player to have at LSJ level--then he had the success he had in hs, using the spread overpowering weaker opponents. In that context resting solely on his hs tape is pointless bc he won't win any games based on overall talent differential over opponents or beating other qbs who learn and develop the intangibles LSJ had uncannily early. Everyone here with respect to LSJ is projecting, predicting, theorizing, etc, some more informed than others.

Back to the spread, which is the only way LSJ is built to succeed. He isn't an under the center drop back passer. Truth is, LSJ arm is decent but not elite. His speed is decent but not elite. Paired with his height everything must go right for him to succeed hence the necessity for the spread. The peak of the spread was Cam. By PEAK I mean having a qb who is has a legitimate capability to pass for over 200, run for 100 AGAINST THE BEST COMPETITION and ultimately win a chip. That's not run first qbs with Heisman rbs (see Bama sims) or pass first qbs who will primarily win with their arm who occasionally can run (see jameis, deshaun).

So basically we are asking a short qb with decent but not all world ability to a)get under center, drop back, look over OL, use a decent arm or decent legs to escape week in/out SEC defenses or b)have coaches put their job on line by implementing a spread read offenses that's best suited for LSJ for which coaches at elite programs have figured out and trust a kid with the same measurables to beat the odds and hope everything else goes perfect.

The best he can hope for is Etling gets hurt and Narcisse isn't ready and he's forced to play this year. A year from now no way he beats out Narcisse, Brennan or two 4 star or higher qbs who may early enroll.

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Posted by lsufball19

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Posted on 4/25/17 at 5:51 pm to jackwagon225

I liken LSJ to a QB like Barry Brunetti. Bruntetti didn't put up the video game numbers that Scott did, but he also didn't play with as much talent around him as LSJ did. Brunetti, however, was the number 1 or 2 dual threat QB coming out of high school. He led a small private school in Memphis to a season where they finished #3 in the country in Rivals poll. They beat teams like South Panola in MS, for reference. Brunetti, like LSJ, is only 6 feet tall. He was a little thicker than LSJ, but he's still a small QB. He had a decent enough arm and moved well. But, like LSJ, he just didn't have the measurables to succeed. He transferred from WVU to Ole Miss because he was never beating out Geno Smith, who was just a year ahead of him. Then he gets to Ole Miss and plays behind Randall Mackey, Zach Stoudt, and Bo Wallace. He started 2 games in his career at Ole Miss and both were games against scrubs where they played several QBs. And this is when Ole Miss was dreadful. Brunetti was a 4 star Army AA in HS. LSJ was a 3 star recruit with LSU, Maryland, Ruthers and Wake Forest being his only P5 offers, yet people ITT seem to think he's not getting a fair shake. I, quite frankly, don't get it.

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Posted by luvlsufootball

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Posted on 4/25/17 at 7:43 pm to jackwagon225

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Height (and size) determines ability to see over line

This is false, further shows that you are not a sports guy. Its been documented, QB see through passing lanes, not "over the OL".

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overall athletic prowess

You are reaching dude.

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Enough of the herb Tyler comparisons, who played in an Era when OL were still under 300lbs and DL weren't "athletic".

I've been around this game my entire life (peewee to NFL). This statement is just flat out untrue.

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Back to the spread, which is the only way LSJ is built to succeed

The ONLY way he can succeed you say????

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Truth is, LSJ arm is decent but not elite. His speed is decent but not elite. Paired with his height everything must go right for him to succeed hence the necessity for the spread.

Strength staff here says that he is by far the strongest of all QBs on the roster (Squats more than 550 lbs, which is in line with J. Hurts of (Bama). Lateral ability is definitely Elite (cat quick). I watched our DL and LBs struggle to get a hand on him all spring. Its known that he has scored the HIGHEST WONDERLIC of any LSU player ever. I don't know whether any of that means he will be successful. But it certainly suggests that he can. And certainly suggest that one can be "ELITE" in more ways than one.

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The peak of the spread was Cam. By PEAK I mean having a qb who is has a legitimate capability to pass for over 200, run for 100 AGAINST THE BEST COMPETITION and ultimately win a chip. That's not run first qbs with Heisman rbs (see Bama sims) or pass first qbs who will primarily win with their arm who occasionally can run (see jameis, deshaun).

Wow! Blake was not run first. He set Bama's single season record for passing yards with 3000+. Jameis was not a dual threat.

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The best he can hope for is Etling gets hurt and Narcisse isn't ready and he's forced to play this year. A year from now no way he beats out Narcisse, Brennan or two 4 star or higher qbs who may early enroll.

So now he should hope his teammate gets hurt? lol .

AS TO LSJ HIGH SCHOOL CAREER - YOU CLEARRRLLLLY ARRREE NOTT FROM ZACHARY

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First let's put into context at least his senior year. He played with an OL who's now at TCU, a WR who's now a DB at TX Tech, a RB now at Jax St, another WR who just signed for a D1 and another WR and OL who's still at Zachary who will be D1. Pair that with what LSJ is second to none at--every intangible imaginable which is basically impossible for a hs player to have at LSJ level--then he had the success he had in hs, using the spread overpowering weaker opponents. In that context resting solely on his hs tape is pointless bc he won't win any games based on overall talent differential over opponents or beating other qbs who learn and develop the intangibles LSJ had uncannily early. Everyone here with respect to LSJ is projecting, predicting, theorizing, etc, some more informed than others.

AND YOU CLEARLY DONT FOLLOW COLLEGE RECRUITING. Below is the LSJ's starting lineup his Senior year.

C 3 Star Kelton Hollins 6'3” 285 TCU – 2016
T unranked Trevor Jackson 5'10 250 No Offers
G unranked Dylan Honore 5'10 “ 245 No Offers
T unranked Blake Anderson 6'2” 280 No Offers
G unranked Roy McKnight 5'9” 210 No Offers
WR 3 Star D. Coleman 6'0” 175 Tex.Tech as a DB
WR 2 Star S. White 6'0” 175 Walkon at SELU 2017
WR unranked RJ Newton 5'10 180” No Offers
WR unranked Trae Shropshire 6'3” 170 Class to 2018
RB unranked T. Sullivan 6'0” 220 J-State – 2017 Now Back in Zachary

1. Three of his offensive lineman were under 5'11", and only one had an offer
2. His best WR is now a DB at Texas Tech (only P5 offer), and had no P5 offers at WR.
3. of the 10 other starters only 3 were even rated.
4. Scott rushed for 2000 yds his senior. Almost 1000 more than his running back.
6. The WR you say just signed a D1, is actually D1-AA. I happen to know that he is a walk-on (not a signee at SELU).
7. Southern Lab, Madison Prep, Scotlandville, and other schools had far more recruits than did Zachary. Please don't try to suggest that this school was a loaded power house.
8. Scott had so much talent around him, that he had to throw for 300 and rush for 200 yds three times during the play offs (including the semi final). That doesnt sound like a guy that is in the ideal situation. He also rushed for 300 and passed for 200 twice during the regular season, VERSUS 5A OPPONENTS.
9. Scott played against 5A Talent throughout his career, including a couple of current LSU teammates. The results were the same.
10. Statistically his numbers exceed that of Russell Wilson (who also had a great high career), and he was more highly recruited than the all pro.

Again, I'm not predicting what this kid will be. But with that resume, and the HIGHEST WONDERLIC ever scored by an LSU player, I'm not going to login here and purport to know what his ceiling actually is.

INFERIOR OPPONENTS - would that include Scotlandville a district opponent who was a select 5A semifinalist, or Dutchtown - a qtr finalist. You can't be from Zachary.

If you resisted logging on tigerdropping during the coaching change (the most important issue to affect the program in over a decade), but used this subject as a reason to start an account, you are a troll, and certainly not a tiger fan.

Somewhere there is a guy who logged on to a fan board, from Russell's hometown, claiming that he would never make it.

This post was edited on 4/25/17 at 8:14 pm

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Posted by Fat Bastard

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Posted on 4/25/17 at 9:05 pm to jackwagon225

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Enough of the herb Tyler comparisons, who played in an Era when OL were still under 300lbs and DL weren't "athletic".

alan faneca and al jackson were over 300 pounds and they blocked for herb tyler. adam perry was right around 300. i could go on and on. you are wrong again!

booger mcfarland and gabe northern were not athletic? chuck wiley? james gillyard?

just please stop posting. i proved you wrong on your spread Qb theory and now this. just stop. you are making yourself look silly.

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