re: So long climate change

Hey olddawg,

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I honestly don't know what to say... Someone making sense in a rational form. I just, I think I might cry. Dale comes in usually and fricks a bunch of doorknobs and makes these threads go awry. I see what you're saying of course, I dont think we're very far off the same idea, just in different directions.

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Reasonable people can disagree.

I know we have been in a warming period for about the last 100 years. That's a scientific fact.

I believe it essentially 100% natural and that man has contributed very little to it. There is no scientific data that can consign this percentage to natural climate change and that percentage to man. Therefore I believe but cannot prove, and neither can my opposition.

The "scientific evidence" for man's impact is computer model generated. These computer programs have not been able to back predict past changes and future ones. There has been some cheating in the science of man made global warming (mmgw). Scientific research grants are doled out by politicians and corporate publicity promoters interested in public good will not hard science. Scientists are humans who must make a living and will not bite the hand that feeds them. Remember how many impartial scientists found nothing dangerous from cigarettes; yes their grants were from tobacco companies. This doesn't discredit mmgw but it does tarnish it's scientific impartiality. Yet when one points out rational doubts, non scientific ADVOCATES parade dribble like 97% and "consensus science" to justify calling you a science denier, a capitalistic stooge, and a knuckle dragging Neanderthal.

These same advocates never recognize the true cost both economically and to human life of shifting to "green" energy sources. They further underestimate the cost and ability to scale these sources to meet current demand. Research the it-will-kill-you-now pollution generated to produce "cheap" Chinese solar panels that are still not economically viable with fossil and nuclear fuels.

Let's have a real discussion about the need to shift the whole world's economic foundations. Are we really causing the warming? A warmer world is actually more friendly to humans; is that not desirable? How much of a real difference will this massive disruption make?And what are the real costs and benefits of our choices?