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re: Trump is getting absolutely dragged by the bipartisan Intel CMTE
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:15 pm to Tigerdev
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:15 pm to Tigerdev
Schiff is a hack for the Far Left and Nunes is dubious...
Here's my run down:
1. Evidence that Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians to ‘influence’ the election: 0
But the Far Left will continue to beat that horse long after the decayed carcass has lost its foul smell.
2. Evidence that the Russians ‘hacked’ something, like the DNC’s server: Significant (unless the ‘Umbrage Theory’ is made manifest)
The Far Left will conflate this with the larger conspiracy theory called ‘it’ as in: ‘We know the Russians did it and what we are concerned about is whether they colluded with any Americans, especially those in the Trump campaign, to do it. (it has variable meaning but is most often defined in vague terms of ‘collusion’ with the Russians -see #1)
3. Evidence that Obama ordered a wiretap of Trump tower and the Trump campaign: Likely 0 – due mainly to procedural barriers meant to route such administration through the DOJ or NSA.
The Far Left is happy to parse a Trump tweet literally and shout from the hilltops that Trump was ‘lying’ or, at the very least, very wrong.
4. Evidence that incidental collection of Trump campaign communications occurred through FISA authorized surveillance, that these communications were leaked, and that unmasking of Americans' names occurred (leaking and unmasking are strictly illegal): High Probability
The Far Left will continue to caterwaul about the “wire tapping”, though, to distract from #4 because #4 is every bit as bad as #3, with only the saving grace (from the Far Left’s perspective) that Obama probably can’t be directly linked to the incidental collection outcomes.
Here's my run down:
1. Evidence that Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russians to ‘influence’ the election: 0
But the Far Left will continue to beat that horse long after the decayed carcass has lost its foul smell.
2. Evidence that the Russians ‘hacked’ something, like the DNC’s server: Significant (unless the ‘Umbrage Theory’ is made manifest)
The Far Left will conflate this with the larger conspiracy theory called ‘it’ as in: ‘We know the Russians did it and what we are concerned about is whether they colluded with any Americans, especially those in the Trump campaign, to do it. (it has variable meaning but is most often defined in vague terms of ‘collusion’ with the Russians -see #1)
3. Evidence that Obama ordered a wiretap of Trump tower and the Trump campaign: Likely 0 – due mainly to procedural barriers meant to route such administration through the DOJ or NSA.
The Far Left is happy to parse a Trump tweet literally and shout from the hilltops that Trump was ‘lying’ or, at the very least, very wrong.
4. Evidence that incidental collection of Trump campaign communications occurred through FISA authorized surveillance, that these communications were leaked, and that unmasking of Americans' names occurred (leaking and unmasking are strictly illegal): High Probability
The Far Left will continue to caterwaul about the “wire tapping”, though, to distract from #4 because #4 is every bit as bad as #3, with only the saving grace (from the Far Left’s perspective) that Obama probably can’t be directly linked to the incidental collection outcomes.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:19 pm to Knight of Old
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Knight of Old
pretty good rundown, but I think "evidence that Trump Tower was systematically wiretapped or monitored in any traditional sense of the use of those terms" should be added.
Posted on 3/15/17 at 12:35 pm to Knight of Old
It's amazing how quickly you guys fell in line behind Spicer's spin about quotation marks and wiretapping not being literal.
You do realize that Trump himself undercut that spin and made exceptionally clear he was accusing the President of tapping his phone and of "putting a tapp[sic] on phones at Trump Tower" .
You do realize that Trump himself undercut that spin and made exceptionally clear he was accusing the President of tapping his phone and of "putting a tapp[sic] on phones at Trump Tower" .
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