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re: Women and the hijab

Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:51 am to
Posted by SpqrTiger
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 8:51 am to
What I don't understand is how the left holds up these hijab wearers as some sort of symbol to be admired, for their bravery.

Like the fencer gal in the Olympics. She wore a hijab to compete, and they just drooled over her, like... she's wearing a scarf... she's so brave! Let her carry the flag at the opening ceremony!

She wears the hijab because she is Muslim. Her religion requires her to wear it. They do not require men to wear it. Her religion requires her to dress modestly. If it's her choice to do so, she is complicit in a sexist standard that normalizes unfair treatment of women, and represents the Muslim viewpoint that women should be submissive and adherent to their rules. And somehow, Western women remain silent about this.

Personally, I'm alright with her decision to wear it. That's fine. It's her religion. It requires no personal bravery to follow the rules of your faith. My problem is with Western women (feminists) who talk about women breaking barriers and shattering the patriarchy... yet, remain curiously silent about the most patriarchal societies on planet Earth, the countries of the Muslim world, and their demonstrated inequity toward women.


Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/3/17 at 9:07 am to
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She wears the hijab because she is Muslim. Her religion requires her to wear it. They do not require men to wear

yes this is one reason why the "hijab" example is one of my favorites, b/c it involves a complete warping of reality to get to the "gotcha" by progs. they purposefully ignore the actual force/coercion used so that they can spin this into an empowered choice by woman. that simply ignores reality simply so they can yell "gotcha"

second, it shows the deep-seeded hatred of Western culture by the progs. the reason why it's so easy for progs to do the "ignoring reality" bit above is b/c that "choice" is non-Western. their real end-game is attacking Western culture, not supporting a single worldview about any particular issue. so since the hijab is non-Western, the rules they want to apply to Western culture (and the criticisms/examples they seek) do not apply. you can actually combine the 2 points and see that they're supporting this "choice" because the "choice" becomes brave because it creates a different cultural expression in the West

if you ever want to get into this argument with a legit feminist, steer the discussion towards one of those "choice" arguments they hate in the West. the 2 best are the economic impacts of women choosing to have children or, even better, the "college major" choice scenario. when you remove the hijab and discuss that women aren't represented well in some high-paying field b/c they don't seek degrees required of that field, what do you get? they say "well that's b/c of our patriarchal and sexist society that has molded women into making that choice"

then you get a rhetoric boner and you know how to use that to frick their argument
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