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re: LSU softball batting anaylsis by player

Posted on 3/1/17 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by LSUAshlyn
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Posted on 3/1/17 at 10:39 pm to
Bait, I love you and always read your post but I have to challenge you on some of the ridiculousness in your post.

First off, serious question, do you actually watch the games? Do you make your own analysis that your own eyes give you or do you take info from other parties and only look to toe the party line?

I have watched every game this spring (and for quite a number of springs), every game this pre-spring and every game but one this fall. I have probably seen many of these players play more than anyone other than their own parents so my statements are based on first hand viewing.

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The staff has given Dawson a few starts this past couple weeks at 2B.


This is simply false. A couple of starts in a couple of weeks and one of them with no AB's? For whatever reason, Dawson has been given no shot.

She has had far better overall at bats than Quinn. But you continue to miss the bigger point of the debate. This is not about Dawson, forget Dawson, it is about LSU Softball.

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its up to her to be productive and make something happen if she wants a shot.


The statement you make above on production needs to be reversed. Why is Quinn not held to the same standard of production as every other position player? Perfect example is left field. Players get one game, don't do well they are cycled out the next game. None have been given 3 or 4 starts to see what they can do. Why don't we use the same standard of production at 2nd base? Why is this the only position that can be 0 for a week or even 0 for a series and we will see no serious change considered?

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If Quinn is serviceable, can get a hit or two a game and doesn't continue to make countless errors, shes not losing her position.


Since when did the standard of a top tier program become having a "serviceable" senior on the field? LSU is much better than this and has depth this year to be better. Use these reps to prepare the young players on the team rather it be Sanchez, Doyle or Dawson. "Serviceable" doesn't build the program and loses valuable experience for the much higher ceiling underclassmen.

If she "doesn't continue to make countless errors" Think about what you're saying right here and rationally figure out how you can even defend that statement? Are you saying, okay, we know she is bad but let's cross our fingers and hope to the heavens we miraculously get better in the last 2/3 of the final season of a career when all data says it will not happen? You know the definition of insanity, right?

A hit or two a game? Are you serious, of course we would take that. For the last year, we have been seeing a hit or two a week from this position. We are no longer "early" in the season. We are roughly 1/3 of the way through coming up on SEC play and are still regressing at this one position. Why is this acceptable to you, any fan or anyone associated with the program?

We know what to expect from Quinn, we have no idea what to expect from Dawson. We have been so bad at 2nd for a while why not put Sanchez there and put Doyle at 3rd? We have options that the staff refuses to even consider.

I believe it is deeper than just softball. The historical, statistical and empirical data cannot justify why the staff is so dead set in accepting such below average play when we have real options to be better.

I love Beth and I have always supported this staff but this position has been an eye sore for more than a couple of years and no one seems to care or wonder why the program accepts it.

Even a loyal fan like you cannot actually believe a "serviceable" 200 hitter is the best option now or for the next two or three years for a program trying to win an NC.


Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67988 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 11:19 pm to
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But you continue to miss the bigger point of the debate. This is not about Dawson, forget Dawson, it is about LSU Softball.


Not to single you out specifically, this really applies to a much bigger crowd. I knew this would happen if Dawson didn't play immediately. This began before she even signed with LSU. People were building her up to almost be the best player to ever come through LSU, almost depicting her as the face of the program. Everyone is acting like Dawson is head and shoulders above everyone else. Talent does not equate to production always. We have people saying she would automatically gives us 2-3 runs a game. Funny as soon as Dawson got her first hit we had a shite load of random posters jumping in telling people off but as soon as she went games going hitless and struggling at the plate, no one is to be heard. Listen no doubt she is a far better talent than Quinn. I still think she is a fantastic young lady and she will be do special things here. I understand and completely agree that you need experience to get better.

Here is another theory, I know people might go off the deep end after they read this but, maybe she is not quite as polished to transition as people may think. Sanchez definitely wasn't, she needed time to polish up things and now look at her, she is starting to find a groove.

Question do you really think Torina has an agenda to play Quinn to piss off the fans or just to play favorites? I feel like this is happening in every game thread now why certain players aren't playing.

For the record, I have made this statement before. Torina embodies the definition of hardwork and going above and beyond, she has done this for everything in her life and it really aggravates her seeing players not do what it takes. Regardless how good you are (unless you are bianka bell or Jaquish type talent), if you aren't doing your part you aren't going to see much time. Not to specify a player in particular but thats why in some years past certain players really didn't see the field much compared to others. I am not saying that is the case with Dawson. People really don't understand how much really goes on in the background between disciplinary actions and other things. Torina keeps it zip, you really would never know.

This past weekend she actually did hit the ball pretty well. Yes she struggled against Utah and UCLA. Everyone else did too. I am sure Dawson will get playing time this weekend as well. It will all workout. Its not over for her just calm down. She will play more and she will get their eventually. When we hit SEC play their will definitely be more consistency with the lineup.

The only thing questionable is LF and 2B. Andrews is fantastic defensively but she still needs to improve at the plate. I really expect Weinberger to get more looks, she is extremely talented. I don't think Dawson would be getting looks if Quinn has that position locked down. Its not as secure as people think.


Personally.... I am surprised Cunningham hasn't gotten looks on the infield. I have seen her play for years. She really is the real deal.

This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 11:33 pm
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67988 posts
Posted on 3/1/17 at 11:36 pm to
And to be fair, I know when Quinn is bad, its pretty ugly

But when she is on, watch out. She literally was the reason we went to the world series last year. That game saving defensive play, which really should been called a double play... was crucial.

I just think Torina likes her out there because shes a senior leader who brings comfort and confidence to the rest of her teammates. She has shown she can hit top pitching, now consistently? Not so much. Lets see how things shape out this weekend. If she does really poor against some of these teams, then I definitely think some criticism might be warranted.
She did look much better at the plate this past weekend. So we will see
This post was edited on 3/1/17 at 11:39 pm
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