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re: San Junipero - is it Elysium or Gehenna? (SPOILERS)

Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:47 am to
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:47 am to
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It is what you make of it.



I agree and I think the debate "Is San Junipero Heaven or Hell" is what the episode's creators want the audience to contemplate.

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Quagmire is a type of hell. Those people are choosing to feel pain.


I agree

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San Junipero is a type of heaven. Those people are choosing to feel happiness and nostalgia


I totally disagree. San Junipero is sold as a type of Heaven, but as I pointed out in the OP, Heaven cannot exist if "tourists" retain past memories and human emotions. It may be sold as Heaven but it will eventually become Hell for all tourists because there's no spiritual connection.

This is what's fascinating about this episode. The human creators of this program may actually believe they've created Heaven in a microchip, but that's impossible because humans cannot create a spiritual realm. Humans can only create something that is "human".

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The theme is the episode is about grief, not rejecting religion or faith.



And that's the magic trick the creators of the episode performed on the audience. They make you believe it's about grief. They make you believe it has a happy ending. The episode is really a simulated version of the Divine Comedy. It 100 percent is about religion, faith, the rejection of a spiritual existence, and ultimately the Hell of eternal regret.
This post was edited on 12/2/16 at 8:50 am
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/2/16 at 8:50 am to
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Heaven cannot exist if "tourists" retain past memories and human emotions. It may be sold as Heaven but it will eventually become Hell for all tourists because there's no spiritual connection.

This is what's fascinating about this episode. The human creators of this program may actually believe they've created Heaven in a microchip, but that's impossible because humans cannot create a spiritual realm. Humans can only create something that is "human".


You're trying too hard to interject spiritual ideas into this.

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And that's the magic trick the creators of the episode performed on the audience. They make you believe it's about grief. They make you believe it has a happy ending. The episode is really a simulated version of the Divine Comedy. It 100 percent is about religion, faith, and the rejection of a spiritual existence.



Oh...

carry on
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