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re: New Orleans airport already planning expansion of new terminal.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:34 am to I B Freeman
Posted on 10/28/16 at 10:34 am to I B Freeman
Number of gates matter more than actual butts in seats in this case. Planes have to dock for boarding and unboarding no matter what the load factor is. Noone expects MSY to evolve into an international hub, but having only only 2 gates can be an issue. As far as the BA to LHR flight, there's absolutely no way it gets dropped in less than 2 years and it's more likely to go to daily in a year than ever getting dropped.
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Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:24 am to Guess
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Number of gates matter more than actual butts in seats in this case.
Never is that true.
Concourse A has been closed for years. There are gates now.
Nobody flies $200 million 787 aircraft to an airport because there is an empty gate.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:30 am to Guess
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Also MSY is the major airport for the entire gulf coast region, not just southeast La. If you move it further west, you are also moving it further away from places like gulfport/biloxi, mobile, and even pensacola who also use MSY as their primary airport.
GPT and PNS have improved significantly over the last 10 years.
Living on the North Side I always look to GPT before MSY. Much easier commute and less BS than dealing with MSY.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:30 am to Guess
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As far as the BA to LHR flight, there's absolutely no way it gets dropped in less than 2 years and it's more likely to go to daily in a year than ever getting dropped.
Do you have any numbers anywhere to back that up?
There is not enough population (my guess) that uses MSY traveling to London to fill up a 767 every day.
It's not like London has been more than one stop from MSY in decades.
United, Delta and American frequent fliers are not going to stop using them to fly BA on the days they elect to service MSY every week. All three of the existing carriers can get you to London in 10-11 hours today with one stop and do it every day of the week.
If BA thought there was a lot of business here they would start with daily service.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 11:46 am to LSUneaux
Mais will it gonna have anotha pop-EYES tho?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 12:01 pm to LSUneaux
MSY just announced another international nonstop to Honduras
Posted on 10/28/16 at 1:13 pm to I B Freeman
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Do you have any numbers anywhere to back that up?
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Over 435 passengers a day were already going from MSY to London and Western Europe (via other airports like Atlanta)
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London is by far the largest European O&D market from MSY in Europe getting around 200 passengers per day already. They also probably chose LHR over LGW even though LGW is more of a leisure airport because it has much better options for connections. They probably started 4x weekly to test the waters, but a daily wouldn't exactly be unrealistic now and MSY is the fastest growing international destination in the country. BA is also part of OneWorld so AA frequent flyers can also use benefits with them and vice versa.
Eta: No an airline won't fly to a destination just because of an empty gate, but they won't/can't fly to one with no suitable available gate and that's what I was talking about.
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 10/28/16 at 1:45 pm to I B Freeman
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United, Delta and American frequent fliers are not going to stop using them to fly BA on the days they elect to service MSY every week. All three of the existing carriers can get you to London in 10-11 hours today with one stop and do it every day of the week.
AA and BA are one world partners, so if there are AA frequent flyers traveling to Europe and beyond, then I'm sure they'll probably start flying BA. Especially if they are traveling to a smaller European destination or some where in africa/ME as who would want to make 2-3 stops when you can make 1?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 1:50 pm to LSUneaux
So another expansion to bilk the citizens and subcontractors of their money. Nice one.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 1:58 pm to LSUneaux
MSY isn't in that bad of a location to just become the New Orleans/Baton Rouge International Airport. Rail service from MSY to Baton Rouge would help but I'm not sure it's that necessary.
If they rework the exits at MSY to have direct access to/from MSY from the west on I-10 that would save an additional 3-4 minutes for the trip (which is not that bad as it stands). Even without reworking the exit, to catch a flight at MSY driving from Baton Rouge I leave the house 2.5 hours ahead of departure. Growing up in Chicago I'd have to leave 2.5-3 hours ahead of time to catch a flight at ORD, and I lived closer to the airport than most people in the Chicagoland area.
If they rework the exits at MSY to have direct access to/from MSY from the west on I-10 that would save an additional 3-4 minutes for the trip (which is not that bad as it stands). Even without reworking the exit, to catch a flight at MSY driving from Baton Rouge I leave the house 2.5 hours ahead of departure. Growing up in Chicago I'd have to leave 2.5-3 hours ahead of time to catch a flight at ORD, and I lived closer to the airport than most people in the Chicagoland area.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 2:01 pm to The Mick
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So another expansion to bilk the citizens and subcontractors of their money. Nice one.
Someone says this in every airport thread. The airliners are paying for almost all of the airport.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 2:03 pm to BRIllini07
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MSY isn't in that bad of a location to just become the New Orleans/Baton Rouge International Airport.
Meh. I'd have preferred a location linked by rail in or around LaPlace now. I do anticipate both of these metros kind of growing into each other eventually. Lately my business flights have been requiring a layover regardless of which airport I use, so I just go through BTR. If I can get a direct out of MSY, I go there. I usually can't.
I'd like to see more international non-stops out of MSY (Delta to CDG would be ideal for me) and a focus city status for one of the major airlines......and 5-6 more connections to domestic hubs out of BTR.
This post was edited on 10/28/16 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 10/28/16 at 2:23 pm to member12
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Meh. I'd have preferred a location linked by rail in or around LaPlace now. I do anticipate both of these metros kind of growing into each other eventually. Lately my business flights have been requiring a layover regardless of which airport I use, so I just go through BTR.
I think the La Place option requires establishing rail service as well, which would be perfect for businesses and tourists immediately, with the locals potentially warming up to it eventually.
But can you imagine the pain we'll have to endure watching commercial after commercial showing video of sad taxi drivers urging us to vote no on Proposition 74 establishing rail service from the airport to Baton Rouge, New Orleans CBD, and the French Quarter?
Posted on 10/28/16 at 2:31 pm to BRIllini07
I'm so excited for the BR/NOLA monorail.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 3:01 pm to Lakeboy7
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Cool, but can we clean what we have now? it is embarrassing to fly into other cities then come back.
All of this.
From about 2000 on, the airport was an utter embarrassment. It used to make me so upset when I would return home at say 7 pm, and everything was dirty and nothing was open.
With the renovations leading up to the Super Bow, it looked like a legit airport. Clean, nice, everything worked.
From the day they announced the new terminal, I don't think they have put a dollar into maintenance of the current terminal. It's falling apart and looking like hell again.
Posted on 10/28/16 at 3:07 pm to waiting4saturday
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But the new terminal was designed to be too small from the get go. (Currently have 42 gates, new terminal will start with 30 + these 6) and the terminal will go from 6 customs accessible gates to 2. They pulling a fast one on taxpayers.
With A closed, there is like 37 gates... and some of them are not used, and others only used once a day. 30 gates is great for the new airport based on current load, and with new load coming on, an upgrade to 36 makes sense. The original plan had 30 with a pretty easy upgrade to 42, so I'm guessing the upgrade is in 2 parts. Should not be all that much do just do it now and open at 36 with an option for 6 down the road.
I don't know if at this point we need more than 2 customs gates. I am sure this can be expanded if needed.
As to the comments about a third runway, I feel like this was looked at before Katrina, and it's indeed possible, but would have required relocating some things. Not sure with the new terminal if a third runway is possible. Also not sure if it's really needed. The only time I can say the runways are somewhat busy is when only one is in operation, then you tend to get some lineup occurring. I can't ever recall on flying our or in of MSY having to wait more than 2-3 minutes for clearance to runway.
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