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Get rid of conference officials everywhere
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:15 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:15 am
It is time to eliminate conference officials and move towards a uniform pool of officials. There is no justifiable reason to have SEC officials, PAC XII officials, Big X officials, etc. There should be one giant pool of officials governed by the NCAA (or some other agreeable governing body) with a centralized replay location like the NFL.
The perception of SEC officials (on-field and replay) is that they are biased (draw your own conclusion as to whom they are biased towards).
The perception of PAC XII officials is they are incompetent (these guys have made some colossal boners over the years).
The list could go on with every conference.
Just move to a uniform national crew governed by one body and it would go a long way towards making the officiating better as well as more trusted.
The perception of SEC officials (on-field and replay) is that they are biased (draw your own conclusion as to whom they are biased towards).
The perception of PAC XII officials is they are incompetent (these guys have made some colossal boners over the years).
The list could go on with every conference.
Just move to a uniform national crew governed by one body and it would go a long way towards making the officiating better as well as more trusted.
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Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:18 am to KC Tiger
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Just move to a uniform national crew governed by one body and it would go a long way towards making the officiating better as well as more trusted.
whoa! then the national ref assn. can be influenced by the TV networks and help them put the teams in the play offs that will generate the most revenue. the SEC office needs to make damn sure our refs are unbiased. they certainly have the money to do so.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:18 am to KC Tiger
From the other thread...
All 13 programs programs who get bullied into this "If you complain you're scared" narrative have to get past that and do what's smart. Makes zero sense to have such a centralized system in a business driven so heavily by personal loyalties.
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While I love the idea of conferences as much as anyone, this is and will always be a problem so long as college football is run this way. No one considers it a conspiracy that the NFL replays are looked at in NYC by the NFL headquarters. Fans may think they suck, and they may even go as far as thinking the NFL is steering calls to benefit teams for TV markets, etc...but straight up loyalty...the kind we know is the norm in individual college conferences?
Nope.
Do all the various BAMA hands being dipped so deep into the conference have an effect on officiating? I don't know for sure...but what's obvious is that in ANY OTHER situation this level of an appearance of potential impropriety would have forced a change to something with less chance of being rigged. shite...there is simply too much money not to. And why exactly has this incestuous relationship been an outside the lines type story yet...?
And as for the BAMA fans who suggest everyone look the other way and move on...how's about we pick up the SEC offices and move them to NOLA, fire everyone that currently works there at all the lower levels who are locals (and I'm sure have no loyalties to any teams...) and hire locals in Louisiana. No worries about getting a bunch of LSU fans in NOLA...probably all Tulane folks, right? We can also then hire an LSU alumnus as the head of officiating, since that hasn't been any issue having a BAMA guy in charge for many years now. Think any of our BAMA fans would be eager to help the offices pack and move west if that was the locale?
The situation would be laughable if we were, say, Vandy...where it literally does not matter where the offices are located. But being BAMA's chief rival in the West kind of sort of makes this personal and while it doesn't do anyone any good to claim CONSPIRACY, it's doing a disservice to the entire league to act as if there is nothing at all to look at and keep a KEEN eye on at all times, at the very least.
All 13 programs programs who get bullied into this "If you complain you're scared" narrative have to get past that and do what's smart. Makes zero sense to have such a centralized system in a business driven so heavily by personal loyalties.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:19 am to LSU GrandDad
Sure thing!
The Bama alum that heads up the SEC officials will get right on that!
Did you enjoy our close game this weekend? Was it entertaining? Sure it was!
The Bama alum that heads up the SEC officials will get right on that!
Did you enjoy our close game this weekend? Was it entertaining? Sure it was!
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:21 am to LSU GrandDad
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the SEC office needs to make damn sure our refs are unbiased.
First step might be NOT having a member alumnus be Head of Football Officiating, right?
Steve Shaw...BAMA grad.
Now...the man might have the most integrity of any man that's ever walked the face of the earth...but WHY even tempt this fate? Of all the possible options why hire a damn graduate of the historically most dominant member of the conference and expect everyone else to smile and be ok with it?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:24 am to GeauxTigerTM
Is that Gif legit of the ref looking back at the chains and moving the ball up half a yard from where it was marked for a Bama first down? If so, that's the most blatant BS biased officiating I've ever seen.
It also should be blasted all over the media and this dude be fired, but it's Bama so none of it will happen.
It also should be blasted all over the media and this dude be fired, but it's Bama so none of it will happen.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:27 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Is that Gif legit of the ref looking back at the chains and moving the ball up half a yard from where it was marked for a Bama first down? If so, that's the most blatant BS biased officiating I've ever seen.
It also should be blasted all over the media and this dude be fired, but it's Bama so none of it will happen.
This? haha
LINK
I love his original spot that he has marked with his right foot.... Keeps shifting towards the marker, then finally says frick it and turns to look to see where it is, THEN spots it. Beautiful...
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 9:32 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:30 am to KC Tiger
Still won't fix the problem and more importantly the perception of a fix being in when a close call goes against team X. A few things that I think should be done
- Officiating should be the full time job of officials. Travel expenses should be covered by conference (if not already). Off season should be spent training and reviewing footage of close calls.
- An official with ties to a university should not be allowed to officiate a game. Think of this as the McDonald's monopoly rule.
- League/Officials office should have a site where close/controversial calls are broken down and explained. In a lot of instances understanding what the official saw and how the rule should be interpreted will be all that is needed.
- Officials should be graded on every performance based on calls made and missed.
- When a call is blown, office should own up to it.
- Eliminate the stupid 3 challenges only. Each team gets up to 3 challenges per half. A challenge is not consumed if the call is overturned. Only the second and third failed challenge per half will cost the team a time out.
- Officiating should be the full time job of officials. Travel expenses should be covered by conference (if not already). Off season should be spent training and reviewing footage of close calls.
- An official with ties to a university should not be allowed to officiate a game. Think of this as the McDonald's monopoly rule.
- League/Officials office should have a site where close/controversial calls are broken down and explained. In a lot of instances understanding what the official saw and how the rule should be interpreted will be all that is needed.
- Officials should be graded on every performance based on calls made and missed.
- When a call is blown, office should own up to it.
- Eliminate the stupid 3 challenges only. Each team gets up to 3 challenges per half. A challenge is not consumed if the call is overturned. Only the second and third failed challenge per half will cost the team a time out.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:42 am to Lefthash
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Still won't fix the problem and more importantly the perception of a fix being in when a close call goes against team X
We'd first need to identify the problem to say this. Most people tend to think officiating is "bad." It's rare that fans think about the officials and declare that they're really good at their job. In the case of the SEC, the issue as I see it is the appearance of impropriety given just how many fingers both Alabama programs (but mostly UA) have in the SEC offices. While college football is a big business, it's still governed at the local levels by pure personal emotion. Having so many with the potential ability to instill an advantage to their favorite team is a bad look at best and a potential huge program for all other member universities.
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- Officiating should be the full time job of officials. Travel expenses should be covered by conference (if not already). Off season should be spent training and reviewing footage of close calls
Yep...agree. Too much money to not do this.
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- An official with ties to a university should not be allowed to officiate a game. Think of this as the McDonald's monopoly rule.
There is already a rule like this in place, but it's far too broad. Last time I read them, it was something to the effect that an alumnus could not call a game involving their own school. But that does not account for merely being a fan of the school, or having other ties, or in the case of Steve Shaw being the HEAD Of OFFICIATING while being an alumnus of UA. surely being the head of officiating can have an even greater impact on the league then calling an individual game, right? Why was this allowed?
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- League/Officials office should have a site where close/controversial calls are broken down and explained. In a lot of instances understanding what the official saw and how the rule should be interpreted will be all that is needed.
This is kind of sort of already done when coaches send in questions, but again given the location and ties of the SEC offices, it's a crap shoot as to just how fair a hearing you may think you're getting. But none of it is out in the open.
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- Officials should be graded on every performance based on calls made and missed.
Agreed...no idea if this is done or to what extent.
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- When a call is blown, office should own up to it.
Yes, it should. I literally can not remember a time when the SEC Offices have done that. They tend to double down.
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- Eliminate the stupid 3 challenges only. Each team gets up to 3 challenges per half. A challenge is not consumed if the call is overturned. Only the second and third failed challenge per half will cost the team a time out.
Frankly...if a team has a successful challenge, it means the officials are doing a poor job. Teams should not lose further ability to fix bad officiating by using them. If the team is over ruled, then fine...but so long as the challenge shows the officials messed up they should not lose then...indefinitely.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:45 am to KC Tiger
Using conference referees is an extreme conflict of interest.
No. 1 Alabama plays No. 15 Tennessee in the SEC Championship game. It is clearly in the best interest of the SEC for Bama to win that game and ensure an SEC team is in the playoff.
Which way will the calls go?
No. 1 Alabama plays No. 15 Tennessee in the SEC Championship game. It is clearly in the best interest of the SEC for Bama to win that game and ensure an SEC team is in the playoff.
Which way will the calls go?
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:47 am to GeauxTigerTM
Full time for a couple dozen days of work per year? No way.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:48 am to KC Tiger
as bad as the sec refs appear to be to us (sec fans that watch more sec games) I don't think they have had the blunders some of the other major conferences have had. The Ok. St game, Miami vs duke, OU? vs. Oregon years ago and so on... point is they will never be perfect.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:50 am to GeauxTigerTM
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There is already a rule like this in place, but it's far too broad.
Agreed, probably poorly stated but this is definitely an appearance of impropriety thing. Any connection no matter how trivial should eliminate you as not only an on the field official but a replay official. I feel this is more like a hand waving rule and enforcement that doesn't actually do anything in it's current implementation.
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Frankly...if a team has a successful challenge, it means the officials are doing a poor job. Teams should not lose further ability to fix bad officiating by using them. If the team is over ruled, then fine...but so long as the challenge shows the officials messed up they should not lose then...indefinitely.
Yeah, and TBH I don't give a shite about what it does for the length of the game. Calling the game fairly for both teams should be most important aspect of officiating. If the officials are failing that badly then they should be suspended, but the coach shouldn't be handcuffed from pointing out their mistakes.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 9:51 am to BayouBlitz
Ever freeze frame a player going out of bounds. Then see the spot move forward 2-3 yards by time the players have lined up.
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:10 am to zoom
He was out of bounds
This post was edited on 9/19/16 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/19/16 at 10:53 am to Topwater Trout
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as bad as the sec refs appear to be to us (sec fans that watch more sec games) I don't think they have had the blunders some of the other major conferences have had. The Ok. St game, Miami vs duke, OU? vs. Oregon years ago and so on... point is they will never be perfect.
I don't think you can simply compare SEC officiating to other really bad conference officiating (i.e. PAC XII and the Big XII) and say, "well, we're better than them". Perfection isn't the goal, Excellence is. There is also a whiff of bias to the SEC office (and officials) that needs to be addressed. It's not just a competence issue, it's a fairness issue.
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