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re: 1989 Football revisited
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:19 pm to clamdip
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:19 pm to clamdip
quote:
Are you serious?
you are a perfect example.
quote:
Were you even alive when Archer was hired
You're a cherry picker. Not addressing all of the facts.
Recruiting wise, I have stated many of the HIGHLY RATED texas players recruited by Archer did not pan out here. His recruiting classes were highly ranked. You make no reference to the Prop 48 restrictions the SEC had that Bobby Bowden and FSU didn't have. No mention of FSU being able to take every non qualifier that LSU had to turn away. So there were other issues with recruiting.
You use the NFL draft as a example of bad recruiting yet no mention of Hallman running off many Archer recruits because they wouldn't send their "earrings back to their momma in a box".
Curley recruited, never said he didn't. But he didn't retain and that 2 and fricking 9 season will forever be at his feet cause he ran players off cause they wore fricking jewelry.
I've stated that Archer was not great by any means. But the 90's would have been a much better decade for this program if Archer had been fired after 91 instead of 90. There would have been no curley, who you seem to think had success here
Posted on 7/28/16 at 1:26 pm to danfraz
quote:lol, wut? feel free to quote me where I said Curley had success at LSU. I stated he was a good recruiter and terrible at everything else.
There would have been no curley, who you seem to think had success here
Also, feel free to name these stud recruits who left LSU because of earrings, and I'm assuming they wound up elsewhere and were wildly successful, so please enlighten me.
Just because Curley sucked doesn't mean that Archer was good. In fact, Archer started the decline. That really isn't even up for debate except for his cousins on here. If we kept Archer another year, that would have been another year without any talent or direction.
Short answer to what happened in 1989:
Posted on 7/28/16 at 5:25 pm to danfraz
Archers classes were highly recruited. The 1989 class which included Mawae was ranked 4th in the nation. Recruiting was not the issue.
Did he draw snake eyes on some? Sure. But he was successful at pulling what was considered blue chip talent......that talent just had a glass jaw.
Did he draw snake eyes on some? Sure. But he was successful at pulling what was considered blue chip talent......that talent just had a glass jaw.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 7/28/16 at 7:43 pm to danfraz
fricking Arnsbarger screwed us because of him recommending Archer knowing he was going to get he UF job and was going to fire Hall and hire Spurrier.
Archer didn't adjust to the prop 48 issues like other SEC coaches specifically Spurrier and Dooley to a lesser extent.Bama and Auburn cheated so bad during those years I pretty much exclude anything they did including the 1992 Bama team. The NCAA caught them and should have stripped that team of the title but the tenicality was proving the issue happened in 1992. I'm old and don't remember the details from all of that mess.
Curley staying at Southern Miss would have been the best thing for him and LSU. He won there including beating Bama twice in 4 years. Go look at their schedule and you will see that they played a lot of SEC schools sometimes 2 (and maybe 3?) a year so he beat SEC schools.
Our players were out of control academically and off the field during Archers tenure. That's why they wanted a disciplinarian. The problem was those players on the team that were there when he arrived, we're not committed to follow the process after Archer gave them free reigns at the school. There was ZERO accountability and respect with Archer. So when Hallman arrived he was fighting a culture that DGAF.
His Southern Miss team was loaded. Personally know players that started for him during Favres time and beyond and all states that the LSU job was too big for him. Meaning he had control of his recruits and they listened to him. That's a fact directly from his former players that I know personally.
Archer didn't adjust to the prop 48 issues like other SEC coaches specifically Spurrier and Dooley to a lesser extent.Bama and Auburn cheated so bad during those years I pretty much exclude anything they did including the 1992 Bama team. The NCAA caught them and should have stripped that team of the title but the tenicality was proving the issue happened in 1992. I'm old and don't remember the details from all of that mess.
Curley staying at Southern Miss would have been the best thing for him and LSU. He won there including beating Bama twice in 4 years. Go look at their schedule and you will see that they played a lot of SEC schools sometimes 2 (and maybe 3?) a year so he beat SEC schools.
Our players were out of control academically and off the field during Archers tenure. That's why they wanted a disciplinarian. The problem was those players on the team that were there when he arrived, we're not committed to follow the process after Archer gave them free reigns at the school. There was ZERO accountability and respect with Archer. So when Hallman arrived he was fighting a culture that DGAF.
His Southern Miss team was loaded. Personally know players that started for him during Favres time and beyond and all states that the LSU job was too big for him. Meaning he had control of his recruits and they listened to him. That's a fact directly from his former players that I know personally.
This post was edited on 7/28/16 at 7:46 pm
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