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re: The Offense Hasn't Been the Main Problem
Posted on 7/5/16 at 8:20 pm to RazorTiger30
Posted on 7/5/16 at 8:20 pm to RazorTiger30
Such bull shite dude. Just pure bull shite
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Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:24 pm to GFunk
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Look up the average scoring drive length. Our Defense and ST were so insanely efficient in 2011 it made our offense much, much more effective. We had one of the lowest average scoring drive yardage lengths in NCAA History that year.
It's an arcane stat that even I don't follow closely, but its a metric that allows you to find the "hidden yardage," that's generated by an efficient defense and a ST that can flip field for you.
Saying all that, the offense still wasn't abysmal, it was just average AF. I will say the defense and special teams was unreal that year though. We had 9 non offensive scoring TDs in 14 games. That was basically a non offensive scoring TD in every other game.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:38 pm to moneyg
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So, the below average offense isn't the problem
Below average?
Our 2015 offense was 4th in the sec in offensive yards per game and 3rd in offensive points per game.
We were 11th in the country in offensive yards per play.
You do realize you can look this shite up, right?
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:40 pm to GFunk
quote:....what he said
GFunk
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:12 pm to moneyg
The offense hasn't been below average, except for 2014. Statistically last year's offense was pretty solid.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:23 pm to trooploop
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The offense hasn't been below average, except for 2014. Statistically last year's offense was pretty solid.
Exactly. Last year the only thing that kept us from not being an elite offense is passing efficiency.
What most posters dont understand is that our totals will always suffer because we dont run a HUNH offense and we are usually ranked low in plays ran.
For example in 2013 lsu's offense was 12 th in the entire country in offensive yards per play but because we were 105th in plays ran it made our totals look worse than what they would have been if we ran a HUNH offense.
Yards per play on offense and defense ate considered pure stats because they arent skewed by the amount of plays ran(offense) and your offense's TOP (defense thats rarely on the field has decent totals).
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:26 pm to El Campo Tiger
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Our offense would be great if we had a decent quarterback.
Saying this means you don't realize the true problems last year. Like I said a thousand times, people rewatch these games to get a clear assessment. Don't be like the talking heads of the media who regurgitate shite.
Everything from blocking to receivers to scheme was bad last year. As a first year starter Harris needed better receiver play first and foremost. Bad routes and a RIDICULOUS amount of drops. When you're 117th of 126 in attempts per game (and this stat has gotten worse the past 4 years and has been terrible since 2009), your drop rate can't be the same as offenses who pass it twice as much. I watched recently games vs Texas Tech, Syracuse, and Western Kentucky, and it is just ridiculous the amount of drops. Throwing it 20 or so times and getting 4-6 flat out drops is insane. I didn't rewatch the game vs Eastern Michigan but I remember just how horrid Dural was. He needed to not be put in so many 3rd and long situations by the coaches. We'd run on first and 2nd and expect this guy to convert 3rd and 7, 8, 9+ constantly. Harris was raw AF coming out of high school and I always thought (and wrote on here) that he needed at least two years before he stepped on the field. We could not offer him that because we are so damn crappy at QB management. It boggles the mind how Bama can roll out a 3rd or 4th year first time player yearly and he be such a good game manager in their system. Another thing is that the youth of the OL and his injury did him no favors when they actually faced good defensive lines in November.
He DEFINITELY needed to improve though, and Craig should be able to fix his most glaring problems like touch and mechanics. His year with experience and being healthy will aid as well. If the problems I spoke of in the first paragraph are fixed (the OL should improve by attrition and experience), then we should have a truly explosive offense this year.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 4:19 am to GFunk
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Our Defense and ST were so insanely efficient in 2011 it made our offense much, much more effective
Agreed, but starting your drive at midfield only gets you so far. Once we moved the ball inside the 20, we were scoring touchdowns like 80% of the time, or something close to that. I dont have the stat in front of me.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 6:41 am to RazorTiger30
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The Offense Hasn't Been the Main Problem
Yes. Yes it has.
aside from this miss st loss and ND loss in 2014, the other 6 losses in the last 2 seasons can be attributed almost entirely to offensive ineptitude
Auburn 2014 - offense managed 7 points
Alabama 2014 - the offense bleauxs a first and goal to settle for a FG with a minute to geaux
Arkansas 2014 - what can be said about this game that hasnt already been said about afghanistan?
Bama 2015 - OL forgot to get off the bus aka The night fournette lost his invitation to NY, NY.
arky 2015 - coaches come out in shotgun almost entirely the first half because the morons on this staff want to make adjustments from the bama game, after the bama game
Ole miss 2015 - dont let the numbers fool you, lsu racked up yards and points when this game was well in hand.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 8:59 am to RazorTiger30
The playcalling sets up poor execution. We run like 7 plays that deviate into 7 other plays which includes our 7th grade route tree in the passing game (not to discredit any junior high attack that actually uses the middle of the field.)
If the coaches can't see what's wrong and can't fix it (after all this fricking time) get the frick out.
If the coaches can't see what's wrong and can't fix it (after all this fricking time) get the frick out.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:14 am to S
quote:Harris wasn't nearly accurate enough for high risk MOF targets and I doubt he has gained the trust to read safeties for MOFO/MOFC.
7th grade route tree in the passing game (not to discredit any junior high attack that actually uses the middle of the field.)
Mett had that trust and hit JL/OBJ on crosses etc often.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Below average?
Below average passing offense, which hurts our balance and makes us predictable. Last year LSU was 106 in passing yards per game. That made LSU 11th in the conference. LSU was 12th in the conference in completion percentage. 102 in the country.
While we are all impressed that Leonard Fournette is all world and carried our offense despite it looking more like Navy then a power 5 balanced attack, the passing offense is beyond deficient. Using Fournette to prop it up by combining the numbers does nothing to further the discussion.
To be clear, so we don't have a strawman fight, I think it is great that we can run the ball on most anyone. I don't think that means we shouldn't also be able to pass the ball on anyone. If we want to beat the teams we keep losing to, we need to be able to get it done in a balanced way. You think Fournette was good last year, wait until we show an ability to hurt people passing the ball.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 9:31 am to RazorTiger30
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RazorTiger30
The Offense Hasn't Been the Main Problem
by RazorTiger30
the first kickoff goes out of bounds .
Alabama 2014
Posted on 7/6/16 at 10:10 am to trooploop
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Statistically last year's offense was pretty solid.
statistics never tell the whole story. If you think last year's offense in November was solid, I just don't know what to tell you.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:51 am to S
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e playcalling sets up poor execution. We run like 7 plays that deviate into 7 other plays which includes our 7th grade route tree in the passing game (not to discredit any junior high attack that actually uses the middle of the field.)
You have no clue what youre talking about. Qbs struggle in our offense because the complexity not because its simple.
God i hate our football ignorant fans.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/6/16 at 11:58 am to therick711
again, using totals to rank offense is flawed and is skewed by the amount of play you run. lsu was 36th in passing yards PER ATTEMPT.
BUT
lsu was 115th in pass attempts per game. so of course our passing totals were low
People that use totals as a measurement for an offense's success dont really understand which stats are important and which arent.
Like i said and FACTS BACK UP, we were passing efficiency away from being elite last year.
BUT
lsu was 115th in pass attempts per game. so of course our passing totals were low
People that use totals as a measurement for an offense's success dont really understand which stats are important and which arent.
Like i said and FACTS BACK UP, we were passing efficiency away from being elite last year.
This post was edited on 7/6/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 7/6/16 at 12:58 pm to RazorTiger30
Both sides have been a problem in the bast few years.
Offense has been a more consistent one, but the defense wasn't good last year. It wasn't great in 2013 either.
Offense has been a more consistent one, but the defense wasn't good last year. It wasn't great in 2013 either.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:12 pm to massiveattack
massiveattack
This dumbass
This dumbass
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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What most posters dont understand is that our totals will always suffer because we dont run a HUNH offense and we are usually ranked low in plays ran.
Nope they won't suffer because you don't run a HUNH. For instance LSU was 5th in rush attempts and 120th in pass attempts per game in 2014. Ohio State was 16th in rush attempts per game and 106th in pass attempts per game. LSU finished 25th in rush yards and 116th in pass yards per game. Ohio State finished 9th in rush yards and 52nd in pass yards per game.
- LSU had 2118 yards (50%) 7.7 ypa, 17 TDs and 9 ints in 13 games
- Ohio State had 3209 yards (64.3%) 9.17 ypa, 39 TDs and 10 ints in their first 13 games
Ohio State was 9th in total offense per game while LSU was 80th.
LSU was through the roof in yards per play in 2013 like you said, and if Mett was at least mobile, and we had more Hill and Magee and less Hilliard and Blue, we would have been even higher.
Posted on 7/6/16 at 1:48 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Even then, national stats are still deceptive with all the midmajors and some weak P5 conferences muddying the water.
People that use totals as a measurement for an offense's success dont really understand which stats are important
I LOL at the posts last year touting TTU's top ranked O would wreck LSU.
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